netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next v3 02/17] zinc: introduce minimal cryptography library

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <CAKv+Gu8zULznCmgz++LNNTwfTifaz5L92h=vvWb4yh5fHh-huQ@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:15:24 +0200
From:   Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>
To:     "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@...c4.com>
Cc:     Andrew Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Samuel Neves <sneves@....uc.pt>,
        Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@...il.com>,
        Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 02/17] zinc: introduce minimal cryptography library

On 13 September 2018 at 17:58, Jason A. Donenfeld <Jason@...c4.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:43 PM Ard Biesheuvel
> <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org> wrote:
>> I'd prefer it if all the accelerated software implementations live in
>> the same place. But I do strongly prefer arch code to live in
>> arch/$arch
>
> Zinc follows the scheme of the raid6 code, as well as of most other
> crypto libraries: code is grouped by cipher, making it easy for people
> to work with and understand differing implementations. It also allows
> us to trivially link these together at compile time rather than at
> link time, which makes cipher selection much more efficient. It's
> really much more maintainable this way.
>
>> I think AES-GCM is a useful example here. I really like the SIMD token
>> abstraction a lot, but I would like to understand how this would work
>> in Zinc if you have
>> a) a generic implementation
>> b) perhaps an arch specific scalar implementation
>> c) a pure NEON implementation
>> d) an implementation using AES instructions but not the PMULL instructions
>> e) an implementation that uses AES and PMULL instructions.
>
> The same way that Zinc currently chooses between the five different
> implementations for, say, x86_64 ChaCha20:
>
> - Generic C scalar
> - SSSE3
> - AVX2
> - AVX512F
> - AVX512VL
>
> We make a decision based on CPU capabilities, SIMD context, and input
> length, and then choose the right function.
>

OK, so given random.c's future dependency on Zinc (for ChaCha20), and
the fact that Zinc is one monolithic piece of code, all versions of
all algorithms will always be statically linked into the kernel
proper. I'm not sure that is acceptable.

>> You know what? If you're up for it, let's not wait until Plumbers, but
>> instead, let's collaborate off list to get this into shape.
>
> Sure, sounds good.
>

BTW you haven't answered my question yet about what happens when the
WireGuard protocol version changes: will we need a flag day and switch
all deployments over at the same time?