netdev - Re: [RFC] Discuss about an new idea "Vsock over Virtio-net"

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Date:   Fri, 30 Nov 2018 07:52:51 -0500
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:     jiangyiwen <jiangyiwen@...wei.com>, stefanha@...hat.com,
        stefanha@...il.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Discuss about an new idea "Vsock over Virtio-net"

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 08:45:39PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> On 2018/11/29 下午10:00, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 04:24:38PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On 2018/11/15 下午3:04, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 11:56:03AM +0800, jiangyiwen wrote:
> > > > > Hi Stefan, Michael, Jason and everyone,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Several days ago, I discussed with jason about "Vsock over Virtio-net".
> > > > > This idea has two advantages:
> > > > > First, it can use many great features of virtio-net, like batching,
> > > > > mergeable rx buffer and multiqueue, etc.
> > > > > Second, it can reduce many duplicate codes and make it easy to be
> > > > > maintained.
> > > > I'm not sure I get the motivation. Which features of
> > > > virtio net are relevant to vsock?
> > > 
> > > Vsock is just a L2 (and above) protocol from the view of the device.
> > I don't believe so. I think virtio-vsock operates at a transport level.
> > There is in theory a bit of network level but we don't really implement
> > it as it's only host to guest.  I am not aware of any data link
> > functionality n virtio-vsock. virtio-vsock provides services such as
> > connection-oriented communication, reliability, flow control and
> > multiplexing.
> 
> 
> Ok, consider it doesn't implement L2, it's pretty fit for virtio-net I
> believe?
> 
> 
> > 
> > > So I
> > > think we should answer the question why we need two different paths for
> > > networking traffic? Or what is the fundamental reason that makes vsock does
> > > not go for virtio-net?
> > So virtio-vsock ensures reliability.
> 
> 
> It's done at the level of protocol instead of virtio transport or virtio
> device.
> 
> 
> >   If you want to compare it with
> > something that would be TCP or QUIC.  The fundamental difference between
> > virtio-vsock and e.g. TCP is that TCP operates in a packet loss environment.
> > So they are using timers for reliability, and receiver is always free to
> > discard any unacked data.
> 
> 
> Virtio-net knows nothing above L2, so they are totally transparent to device
> itself. I still don't get why not using virtio-net instead.
> 
> 
> Thanks

Is your question why is virtio-vsock used instead of TCP on top of IP
on top of virtio-net?


> 
> > 
> > 
> > > I agree they could be different type of devices but codes could be shared in
> > > both guest and host (or even qemu) for not duplicating features(bugs).
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > The ones that you mention
> > > > all seem to be mostly of use to the networking stack.
> > > > 
> > > >