Message-ID: <9256a289-4944-c760-b383-d5beacd374ce@infradead.org>
Date:   Wed, 9 Jan 2019 11:25:40 -0800
From:   Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...radead.org>
To:     Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Cc:     davem@...emloft.net, andrew@...n.ch, cphealy@...il.com,
        vivien.didelot@...il.com, idosch@...lanox.com, jiri@...lanox.com,
        bridge@...ts.linux-foundation.org, nikolay@...ulusnetworks.com,
        roopa@...ulusnetworks.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3] Documentation: networking: Clarify switchdev
 devices behavior

Hi Florian,

Just a few more comments...


On 1/8/19 8:39 PM, Florian Fainelli wrote:
> This patch provides details on the expected behavior of switchdev
> enabled network devices when operating in a "stand alone" mode, as well
> as when being bridge members. This clarifies a number of things that
> recently came up during a bug fixing session on the b53 DSA switch
> driver.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>
> ---
> Changes in v3:
> 
> - spell checks, past vs. present use (Randy)
> - clarified some behaviors a bit more regarding multicast flooding
> - added some missing sentence about multicast snopping knob being
>   dynamically turned on/off
> 
> Changes in v2:
> 
> - clarified a few parts about VLAN devices wrt. VLAN filtering and their
>   behavior during enslaving.
> 
>  Documentation/networking/switchdev.txt | 104 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 104 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/networking/switchdev.txt b/Documentation/networking/switchdev.txt
> index 82236a17b5e6..36049f997517 100644
> --- a/Documentation/networking/switchdev.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/networking/switchdev.txt
> @@ -392,3 +392,107 @@ switchdev_trans_item_dequeue()
>  
>  If a transaction is aborted during "prepare" phase, switchdev code will handle
>  cleanup of the queued-up objects.
> +
> +Switchdev enabled network device expected behavior
> +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> +
> +Below is a set of defined behavior that switchdev enabled network devices must
> +adhere to.
> +
> +Configuration less state
> +------------------------
> +
> +Upon driver bring up, the network devices must be fully operational, and the
> +backing driver must configure the network device such that it is possible to
> +send and receive to this network device such that it is properly separate from
> +other network devices/ports (e.g.: as is frequently with a switch ASIC). How
> +this is achieved is heavily hardware dependent, but a simple solution can be to
> +use per-port VLAN identifiers unless a better mechanism is available
> +(proprietary metadata for each network port for instance).
> +
> +The network device must be capable of running a full IP protocol including
> +multicast, DHCP, IPv4/6, etc. If necessary, it should be programming the

                                               it should program the

> +appropriate filters for VLAN, multicast, unicast etc. The underlying device
> +driver must effectively be configured in a similar fashion to what it would do
> +when IGMP snooping is enabled for IP multicast over these switchdev network
> +devices and unsolicited multicast must be filtered as early as possible into
> +the hardware.
> +
> +When configuring VLANs on top of the network device, all VLANs must be working,
> +irrespective of the state of other network devices (e.g.: other ports being part
> +of a VLAN aware bridge doing ingress VID checking). See below for details.
> +
> +Bridged network devices
> +-----------------------
> +
> +When a switchdev enabled network device is added as a bridge member, it should
> +not disrupt any functionality of non-bridged network devices and they
> +should continue to behave as normal network devices. Depending on the bridge
> +configuration knobs below, the expected behavior is documented.
> +
> +VLAN filtering
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +The Linux bridge allows the configuration of a VLAN filtering mode (compile and
> +run time) which must be observed by the underlying switchdev network
> +device/hardware:
> +
> +- with VLAN filtering turned off: frames ingressing the device with a VID that
> +  is not programmed into the bridge/switch's VLAN table must be forwarded.
> +
> +- with VLAN filtering turned on: frames ingressing the device with a VID that is
> +  not programmed into the bridges/switch's VLAN table must be dropped.
> +
> +Non-bridged network ports of the same switch fabric must not be disturbed in any
> +way, shape or form by the enabling of VLAN filtering.
> +
> +VLAN devices configured on top of a switchdev network device (e.g: sw0p1.100)
> +which is a bridge port member must also observe the following behavior:
> +
> +- with VLAN filtering turned off, these VLAN devices must be fully functional
> +  since the hardware is allowed VID frames. Enslaving VLAN devices into the
> +  bridge might be allowed provided that there is sufficient separation using
> +  e.g.: a reserved VLAN ID (4095 for instance) for untagged traffic.
> +
> +- with VLAN filtering turned on, these VLAN devices should not be allowed to
> +  be created because they duplicate functionality/use case with the bridge's
> +  VLAN functionality.
> +
> +Because VLAN filtering can be turned on/off at runtime, the switchdev driver
> +must be able to re-configure the underlying hardware on the fly to honor the
> +toggling of that option and behave appropriately.
> +
> +A switchdev driver can also refuse to support dynamic toggling of the VLAN
> +filtering knob at runtime and require a destruction of the bridge device(s) and
> +a creation of new bridge device(s) with a different VLAN filtering value to

preferably drop the first "a", so just
   creation of

> +ensure VLAN awareness is pushed down to the HW.
> +
> +IGMP snooping
> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> +
> +The Linux bridge allows the configuration of IGMP snooping (compile and run
> +time) which must be observed by the underlying switchdev network device/hardware
> +in the following way:
> +
> +- when IGMP snooping is turned off, multicast traffic must be flooded to all
> +  switch ports within the same broadcast domain. The CPU/management port
> +  should ideally not be flooded and continue to learn multicast traffic through
> +  the network stack notifications. If the hardware is not capable of doing that
> +  then the CPU/management port must also be flooded and multicast filtering
> +  happens in software.
> +
> +- when IGMP snooping is turned on, multicast traffic must selectively flow
> +  to the appropriate network ports (including CPU/management port) and not flood
> +  the switch.
> +
> +Note: reserved multicast addresses (e.g.: BPDUs) as well as Local Network
> +Control block (224.0.0.0 - 224.0.0.255) do not require IGMP and should always
> +be flooded.
> +
> +Because IGMP snooping can be turned on/off at runtime, the switchdev driver must
> +be able to re-configure the underlying hardware on the fly to honor the toggling
> +of that option and behave appropriately.
> +
> +A switchdev driver can also refuse to support dynamic toggling of the multicast
> +snooping knob at runtime and require a destruction of the bridge device(s) and
> +a creation of a new bridge device(s) with a different multicast snooping value.

   creation of


thanks.
-- 
~Randy

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