Date:   Wed, 6 Feb 2019 12:12:39 -0800
From:   Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@...il.com>
To:     Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com>, davem@...emloft.net
Cc:     oss-drivers@...ronome.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        jiri@...nulli.us, andrew@...n.ch, mkubecek@...e.cz,
        dsahern@...il.com, simon.horman@...ronome.com,
        jesse.brandeburg@...el.com, maciejromanfijalkowski@...il.com,
        vasundhara-v.volam@...adcom.com, michael.chan@...adcom.com,
        shalomt@...lanox.com, idosch@...lanox.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/14] netlink/hierarchical stats

On 1/28/19 3:44 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> As I tried to explain in my slides at netconf 2018 we are lacking
> an expressive, standard API to report device statistics.
> 
> Networking silicon generally maintains some IEEE 802.3 and/or RMON
> statistics.  Today those all end up in ethtool -S.  Here is a simple
> attempt (admittedly very imprecise) of counting how many names driver
> authors invented for IETF RFC2819 etherStatsPkts512to1023Octets
> statistics (RX and TX):
> 
> $ git grep '".*512.*1023.*"' -- drivers/net/ | \
>     sed -e 's/.*"\(.*\)".*/\1/' | sort | uniq | wc -l
> 63
> 
> Interestingly only two drivers in the tree use the name the standard
> gave us (etherStatsPkts512to1023, modulo case).
> 
> I set out to working on this set in an attempt to give drivers a way
> to express clearly to user space standard-compliant counters.
> 
> Second most common use for custom statistics is per-queue counters.
> This is where the "hierarchical" part of this set comes in, as
> groups can be nested, and user space tools can handle the aggregation
> inside the groups if needed.
> 
> This set also tries to address the problem of users not knowing if
> a statistic is reported by hardware or the driver.  Many modern drivers
> use some prefix in ethtool -S to indicate MAC/PHY stats.  At a quick
> glance: Netronome uses "mac.", Intel "port." and Mellanox "_phy".
> In this set, netlink attributes describe whether a group of statistics
> is RX or TX, maintained by device or driver.
> 
> The purpose of this patch set is _not_ to replace ethtool -S.  It is
> an incredibly useful tool, and we will certainly continue using it.
> However, for standard-based and commonly maintained statistics a more
> structured API seems warranted.
> 
> There are two things missing from these patches, which I initially
> planned to address as well: filtering, and refresh rate control.
> 
> Filtering doesn't need much explanation, users should be able to request
> only a subset of statistics (like only SW stats or only given ID).  The
> bitmap of statistics in each group is there for filtering later on.
> 
> By refresh control I mean the ability for user space to indicate how
> "fresh" values it expects.  Sometimes reading the HW counters requires
> slow register reads or FW communication, in such cases drivers may cache
> the result.  (Privileged) user space should be able to add a "not older
> than" timestamp to indicate how fresh statistics it expects.  And vice
> versa, drivers can then also put the timestamp of when the statistics
> were last refreshed in the dump for more precise bandwidth estimation.

Another thing that we cannot quite do with ethtool right now, at least
not easily, is something like the following use case.

You have some filtering/classification capable hardware, and the HW can
count the number of times a rule has been hit/missed. The number of
rules programmed into the HW is dynamic and depends on use case so
dumping them all is not convenient for e.g.: hundreds/thousands of rules.

You would want to return only the rules that are active/enabled, and not
the full possible range of rules. With ethtool, this is not possible
because you have to define the strings first, and in a second call, you
are going to get the dump and fill in the data returned to user-space...

I will review more in depth, but the idea looks great so far.

> 
> Jakub Kicinski (14):
>   nfp: remove unused structure
>   nfp: constify parameter to nfp_port_from_netdev()
>   net: hstats: add basic/core functionality
>   net: hstats: allow hierarchies to be built
>   nfp: very basic hstat support
>   net: hstats: allow iterators
>   net: hstats: help in iteration over directions
>   nfp: hstats: make use of iteration for direction
>   nfp: hstats: add driver and device per queue statistics
>   net: hstats: add IEEE 802.3 and common IETF MIB/RMON stats
>   nfp: hstats: add IEEE/RMON ethernet port/MAC stats
>   net: hstats: add markers for partial groups
>   nfp: hstats: add a partial group of per-8021Q prio stats
>   Documentation: networking: describe new hstat API
> 
>  Documentation/networking/hstats.rst           | 590 +++++++++++++++
>  .../networking/hstats_flow_example.dot        |  11 +
>  Documentation/networking/index.rst            |   1 +
>  drivers/net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/Makefile   |   1 +
>  .../net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_hstat.c    | 474 ++++++++++++
>  drivers/net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_main.c |   1 +
>  drivers/net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_main.h |   2 +
>  drivers/net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_net.h  |  10 +-
>  .../ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_net_common.c   |   1 +
>  .../net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_net_repr.h |   2 +-
>  drivers/net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_port.c |   2 +-
>  drivers/net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_port.h |   2 +-
>  include/linux/netdevice.h                     |   9 +
>  include/net/hstats.h                          | 176 +++++
>  include/uapi/linux/if_link.h                  | 107 +++
>  net/core/Makefile                             |   2 +-
>  net/core/hstats.c                             | 682 ++++++++++++++++++
>  net/core/rtnetlink.c                          |  21 +
>  18 files changed, 2084 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/networking/hstats.rst
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/networking/hstats_flow_example.dot
>  create mode 100644 drivers/net/ethernet/netronome/nfp/nfp_hstat.c
>  create mode 100644 include/net/hstats.h
>  create mode 100644 net/core/hstats.c
> 


-- 
Florian

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