netdev - Re: [PATCH 1/2 v2] kprobe: Do not use uaccess functions to access kernel memory that can fault

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Message-ID: <CAG48ez2tVwzhKPu1tvK+E52jUCq5vTwjssrtMaGuCO=kMpSXGw@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 22 Feb 2019 22:43:54 +0100
From:   Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>
Cc:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...nel.org>,
        Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Changbin Du <changbin.du@...il.com>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        bpf@...r.kernel.org, Nadav Amit <namit@...are.com>,
        Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@...el.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        "Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@...radead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2 v2] kprobe: Do not use uaccess functions to access
 kernel memory that can fault

(adding some people from the text_poke series to the thread, removing stable@)

On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 8:55 PM Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> wrote:
> > On Feb 22, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:30:26PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> >> On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:27:05 -0800
> >> Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 09:43:14AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Then we should still probably fix up "__probe_kernel_read()" to not
> >>>> allow user accesses. The easiest way to do that is actually likely to
> >>>> use the "unsafe_get_user()" functions *without* doing a
> >>>> uaccess_begin(), which will mean that modern CPU's will simply fault
> >>>> on a kernel access to user space.
> >>>
> >>> On bpf side the bpf_probe_read() helper just calls probe_kernel_read()
> >>> and users pass both user and kernel addresses into it and expect
> >>> that the helper will actually try to read from that address.
> >>>
> >>> If __probe_kernel_read will suddenly start failing on all user addresses
> >>> it will break the expectations.
> >>> How do we solve it in bpf_probe_read?
> >>> Call probe_kernel_read and if that fails call unsafe_get_user byte-by-byte
> >>> in the loop?
> >>> That's doable, but people already complain that bpf_probe_read() is slow
> >>> and shows up in their perf report.
> >>
> >> We're changing kprobes to add a specific flag to say that we want to
> >> differentiate between kernel or user reads. Can this be done with
> >> bpf_probe_read()? If it's showing up in perf report, I doubt a single
> >
> > so you're saying you will break existing kprobe scripts?
> > I don't think it's a good idea.
> > It's not acceptable to break bpf_probe_read uapi.
> >
>
> If so, the uapi is wrong: a long-sized number does not reliably identify an address if you don’t separately know whether it’s a user or kernel address. s390x and 4G:4G x86_32 are the notable exceptions. I have lobbied for RISC-V and future x86_64 to join the crowd.  I don’t know whether I’ll win this fight, but the uapi will probably have to change for at least s390x.
>
> What to do about existing scripts is a different question.

This lack of logical separation between user and kernel addresses
might interact interestingly with the text_poke series, specifically
"[PATCH v3 05/20] x86/alternative: Initialize temporary mm for
patching" (https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190221234451.17632-6-rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com/)
and "[PATCH v3 06/20] x86/alternative: Use temporary mm for text
poking" (https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190221234451.17632-7-rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com/),
right? If someone manages to get a tracing BPF program to trigger in a
task that has switched to the patching mm, could they use
bpf_probe_write_user() - which uses probe_kernel_write() after
checking that KERNEL_DS isn't active and that access_ok() passes - to
overwrite kernel text that is mapped writable in the patching mm?