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Date:   Thu, 14 Mar 2019 22:35:36 +0000
From:   Parav Pandit <parav@...lanox.com>
To:     Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com>,
        Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
CC:     "davem@...emloft.net" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "oss-drivers@...ronome.com" <oss-drivers@...ronome.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH net-next v2 4/7] devlink: allow subports on devlink PCI
 ports

Hi Jakub,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: netdev-owner@...r.kernel.org <netdev-owner@...r.kernel.org> On
> Behalf Of Jakub Kicinski
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 5:10 PM
> To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
> Cc: davem@...emloft.net; netdev@...r.kernel.org; oss-
> drivers@...ronome.com
> Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 4/7] devlink: allow subports on devlink PCI
> ports
> 
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 08:38:40 +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> > Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 05:55:55PM CET, jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com
> wrote:
> > >On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:22:43 +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> > >> Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 05:17:31PM CET, jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com
> wrote:
> > >> >On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 07:07:01 +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> > >> >> Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 09:56:28PM CET,
> jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com wrote:
> > >> >> >On Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:02:39 +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> > >> >> >> Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 03:10:54AM CET, wrote:
> > >> >> >> >On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:52:04 +0100, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 08:09:43PM CET, wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >If the switchport is in the hypervisor then only the hypervisor
> can
> > >> >> >> >> >control switching/forwarding, correct?
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Correct.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >The primary use case for partitioning within a VM (of a VF)
> would be
> > >> >> >> >> >containers (and DPDK)?
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Makes sense.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> >SR-IOV makes things harder.  Splitting a PF is reasonably easy
> to grasp.
> > >> >> >> >> >I'm trying to get a sense of is how would we control an SR-IOV
> > >> >> >> >> >environment as a whole.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> You mean orchestration?
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >Right, orchestration.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >To be clear on where I'm going with this - if we want to
> > >> >> >> >allow VFs to partition themselves then they have to control what
> is effectively
> > >> >> >> >a "nested" switch.  A per-VF set of rules which would the get
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> Wait. If you allow to make VF subports (I believe that is
> > >> >> >> what you ment by VFs partition themselves), that does not mean
> they will have a
> > >> >> >> separate nested switch. They would still belong under the same
> one.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >But that existing switch is administered by the hypervisor, how
> would
> > >> >> >the VF owners install forwarding rules in a switch they don't
> control?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> They won't.
> > >> >
> > >> >Argh.  So how is forwarding configured if there are no rules?  Are
> > >> >you going to assume its switching on MACs?  We're supposed to
> > >> >offload software constructs.  If its a software port it needs to
> > >> >be explicitly switched.  If it's not explicitly switched - we already have
> macvlan
> > >> >offload.
> > >>
> > >> Wait a second. You configure the switch. And for that, you have the
> > >> switchports (representors). What we are talking about are VF (VF
> > >> subport) host legs. Am I missing something?
> > >
> > >Hm :)  So when VM gets a new port, how is it connected?  Are we
> > >assuming all ports of a VM are plugged into one big L2 switch?
> > >The use case for those sub ports is a little murky, sorry about the
> > >endless confusion :)
> >
> > Np. When user John (on baremetal, or whenever the devlink instance
> > with switch port is) creates VF of VF subport by:
> > $ devlink dev port add pci/0000:05:00.0 flavour pci_vf pf 0 or by:
> > $ devlink dev port add pci/0000:05:00.0 flavour pci_vf pf 0 vf 0
> >
> > Then instances of flavour pci_vf are going to appear in the same
> > devlink instance. Those are the switch ports:
> > pci/0000:05:00.0/10002: type eth netdev enp5s0npf0pf0s0
> >                         flavour pci_vf pf 0 vf 0
> >                         switch_id 00154d130d2f peer pci/0000:05:10.1/0
> > pci/0000:05:00.0/10003: type eth netdev enp5s0npf0pf0s0
> >                         flavour pci_vf pf 0 vf 0 subport 1
> >                         switch_id 00154d130d2f peer pci/0000:05:10.1/1
> >
> > With that, peers are going to appear too, and those are the actual
> > VF/VF
> > subport:
> > pci/0000:05:10.1/0: type eth netdev ??? flavour pci_vf_host
> >                     peer pci/0000:05:00.0/10002
> > pci/0000:05:10.1/1: type eth netdev ??? flavour pci_vf_host
> >                     peer pci/0000:05:00.0/10003
> >
> > Later you can push this VF along with all subports to VM. So in VM,
> > you are going to see the VF like this:
> > $ devlink dev
> > pci/0000:00:08.0
> > $ devlink port
> > pci/0000:00:08.0/0: type eth netdev ??? flavour pci_vf_host
> > pci/0000:00:08.0/1: type eth netdev ??? flavour pci_vf_host
> >
> > And back to your question of how are they connected in eswitch.
> > That is totally up to the original user John who did the creation.
> > He is in charge of the eswitch on baremetal, he would configure the
> > forwarding however he likes.
> 
> Ack, so I think you're saying VM has to communicate to the cloud
> environment to have this provisioned using some service API, not a kernel
> API.  That's what I wanted to confirm.
> 
> I don't see any benefit to having the "host ports" under devlink, as such I
> think it's a matter of preference. 
We need 'host ports' to configure parameters of this 
host port which is not exposed by the rep-netdev.
Such as mac address.

> I'll try to describe the two options to
> Netronome's FAEs and see which one they find more intuitive.
> 
> Makes sense?

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