Message-ID: <20190322133241.GA2211@nanopsycho>
Date:   Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:32:41 +0100
From:   Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To:     Parav Pandit <parav@...lanox.com>
Cc:     Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com>,
        "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@...el.com>,
        "davem@...emloft.net" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "oss-drivers@...ronome.com" <oss-drivers@...ronome.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 4/7] devlink: allow subports on devlink PCI
 ports

Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 06:42:55PM CET, parav@...lanox.com wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 12:24 PM
>> To: Parav Pandit <parav@...lanox.com>
>> Cc: Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com>; Samudrala, Sridhar
>> <sridhar.samudrala@...el.com>; davem@...emloft.net;
>> netdev@...r.kernel.org; oss-drivers@...ronome.com
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 4/7] devlink: allow subports on devlink PCI
>> ports
>> 
>> Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 05:50:37PM CET, parav@...lanox.com wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:16 AM
>> >> To: Parav Pandit <parav@...lanox.com>
>> >> Cc: Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com>; Samudrala, Sridhar
>> >> <sridhar.samudrala@...el.com>; davem@...emloft.net;
>> >> netdev@...r.kernel.org; oss-drivers@...ronome.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 4/7] devlink: allow subports on
>> >> devlink PCI ports
>> >>
>> >> Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 04:03:58PM CET, parav@...lanox.com wrote:
>> >> >Hi Jiri,
>> >> >
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:08 AM
>> >> >> To: Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com>
>> >> >> Cc: Parav Pandit <parav@...lanox.com>; Samudrala, Sridhar
>> >> >> <sridhar.samudrala@...el.com>; davem@...emloft.net;
>> >> >> netdev@...r.kernel.org; oss-drivers@...ronome.com
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 4/7] devlink: allow subports on
>> >> >> devlink PCI ports
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:22:57PM CET, jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:24:15 +0000, Parav Pandit wrote:
>> >> >> >> Hi Jiri, Jakub, Samudrala Sridhar,
>> >> >> >> > > > > > And physical port in include/uapi/linux/devlink.h
>> >> >> >> > > > > > also describe that.
>> >> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > By "that" you must mean that the physical is a user facing
>> port.
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > Can you please describe the difference between 'PF port'
>> >> >> >> > > > and 'physical port of include/uapi/linux/devlink.h'? I
>> >> >> >> > > > must have missed this crisp definition in discussion
>> >> >> >> > > > between you and Jiri. I am in meantime checking the thread.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Perhaps start with the cover letter which includes an ASCII
>> >> drawing?
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Using Mellanox nomenclature - PF port is a "representor"
>> >> >> >> > > for the PF which may be on another Host (SmartNIC or
>> multihost).
>> >> >> >> > > It's pretty much the same thing as a VF port/"representor".
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > Yes. We are aligned here. :-) I see your point, where in
>> >> >> >> > multi-host scenario, a physical port may be 1, but PF ports
>> >> >> >> > are 4, because of 4 PFs for 4 hosts.
>> >> >> >> > (just an example of 4 hosts with their own mac address
>> >> >> >> > sharing 1 physical port).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > When there is no multihost and one to one mapping between a
>> >> >> >> > PF and physical links, there is some overlap between PF port
>> >> >> >> > and physical port attributes.
>> >> >> >> > I believe, such overlap is fine as long as we have unique
>> >> >> >> > indices for the
>> >> >> ports.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > So I am ok to have flavours as
>> >> physical/cpu/dsa/pf/vf/mdev/switchport.
>> >> >> >> > (last 4 as new port flavours).
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > > Physical port is the hole on the panel of the adapter where
>> >> >> >> > > cable
>> >> >> goes.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So my take away from above discussion are:
>> >> >> >> 1. Following new port flavours should be added
>> >> >> pci_pf/pci_vf/mdev/switchport.
>> >> >> >> a. Switchport indicates port on the eswitch. Normally this port
>> >> >> >> has rep-
>> >> >> netdev attached to it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I don't understand the "switchport".  Surely physical ports are
>> >> >> >also attached to the eswitch?  And one of the main purpose of
>> >> >> >adding the pci_pf/pci_vf flavours was to generate phys_port_name
>> >> >> >for the port netdevs.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Please don't use the term representor if possible.  Representor
>> >> >> >for most developers describes the way the netdev is implemented
>> >> >> >in the driver, so for Mellanox and Netronome different ports will
>> >> >> >be representors and non-representors.  That's why I prefer port
>> >> >> >netdev (attached to eswitch, has switch_id) and host netdev
>> >> >> >(PF/VF netdev, vNIC, VSI, etc).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> b. host side port flavours are pci_pf/pci_vf/mdev which may be
>> >> >> >> connected to switchport
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >See above, pci_pf/pci_vf are needed for phys_port_name generation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yep, that makes sense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> 2. host side port flavours are not limited to Ethernet, as it
>> >> >> >> is for devlink's
>> >> >> port instance.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 3. Each port is continue to be accessed using unique port index.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 4. host side ports and switchport are control objects.
>> >> >> >> a. switch side ports reside where current eswitch object of
>> >> >> >> devlink instance reside b. for a given VF/PF/mdev such host
>> >> >> >> side ports may be in hypervisor or VM or both depending on the
>> >> >> >> privilege
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 5. eth.mac_address, rdma.port_guid can be programmed at host
>> >> >> >> port flavours by extending as $ devlink port param set...
>> >> >> >> (similar to devlink dev param set)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You can keep restating that's your position, but I have *not*
>> >> >> >conceded to that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm also not convinced that host dummy ports are good idea to hold
>> >> these.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >I didn't understand what do you mean my dummy port.
>> >>
>> >> It's a port for a VF host port which is not actually in the host but in the
>> vm.
>> >> Very confusing.
>> >>
>> >It is the vf_ctrl flavour. I don't see it any different than rep-netdev.
>> >rep-netdev is not that confusing to us that represent eswitch vport.
>> >Why vf_ctrl flavour port that represents otherside of the pipe as you have
>> shown in example?
>> >Why it that confusing?
>> 
>> Because sometimes it is there only once (PF), sometimes twice (VF) - and one
>> of these is kind-of zombie.
>> 
>I gave the example in email that contains description yesterday.
>You didn't respond to it.
>So repeating here.
>Can you please point what looks like zombie below?
>
>$ devlink port show
>pci/0000:05:00.0/0 eth netdev repndev_pf0_p0 flavour physical switch_id 00154d130d2f
>pci/0000:05:00.0/1 eth netdev repndev_pf0_p1 flavour physical switch_id 00154d130d2f
>pci/0000:05:00.0/10001 eth netdev repndev_pf0_vf_1 flavour switchport switch_id 00154d130d2f peer pci/0000:05:00.0/1
>pci/0000:05:00.0/10002 eth netdev repndev_pf0_p0_mdev_8000 flavour switchport switch_id 00154d130d2f peer mdev/uuidX/0
>
>pci/0000:05:00.0/1 eth netdev flavour vf_ctrl vf 1

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this one.
You are missing an actual VF instance.

>mdev/uuidX/0 eth netdev flavour mdev_ctrl
Why "ctrl"?

>
>> >
>> >
>> >> >Can you explain what is wrong in programming host port params using
>> >> host_port object?
>> >> >Few questions are unanswered in my past 2 or 3 emails.
>> >> >Can you please go through them?
>> >> >Can you point to some example switch API where you program host
>> >> >params
>> >> at switch?
>> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> 6. more host port params can be added in future when user need
>> >> >> >> arise
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 7. rep-netdev continue to be eswitch (switchport) representor
>> >> >> >> at the
>> >> >> switch side.
>> >> >> >> a. Hence rep-netdev cannot be used for programming host port's
>> >> >> parameters.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 8. eswitch devlink instance knows when VF/PF/mdev's switchport
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> created/removed.
>> >> >> >> Hence, those will be created/deleted by eswitch.
>> >> >> >> Similarly for host port flavours too.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Does it look fine? Did I miss something?
>> >> >> >> We would like to progress on incremental patches for item-4 and
>> >> >> >> any prep work needed to reach to item-4.

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