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Date:   Thu, 20 Jun 2019 12:18:41 -0400
From:   Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@...il.com>
To:     Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com>
Cc:     Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Matteo Croce <mcroce@...hat.com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] af_packet: Block execution of tasks waiting for
 transmit to complete in AF_PACKET

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 12:14 PM Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:16:13AM -0400, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:24 AM Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 09:41:30AM -0400, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:26 PM Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > When an application is run that:
> > > > > a) Sets its scheduler to be SCHED_FIFO
> > > > > and
> > > > > b) Opens a memory mapped AF_PACKET socket, and sends frames with the
> > > > > MSG_DONTWAIT flag cleared, its possible for the application to hang
> > > > > forever in the kernel.  This occurs because when waiting, the code in
> > > > > tpacket_snd calls schedule, which under normal circumstances allows
> > > > > other tasks to run, including ksoftirqd, which in some cases is
> > > > > responsible for freeing the transmitted skb (which in AF_PACKET calls a
> > > > > destructor that flips the status bit of the transmitted frame back to
> > > > > available, allowing the transmitting task to complete).
> > > > >
> > > > > However, when the calling application is SCHED_FIFO, its priority is
> > > > > such that the schedule call immediately places the task back on the cpu,
> > > > > preventing ksoftirqd from freeing the skb, which in turn prevents the
> > > > > transmitting task from detecting that the transmission is complete.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can fix this by converting the schedule call to a completion
> > > > > mechanism.  By using a completion queue, we force the calling task, when
> > > > > it detects there are no more frames to send, to schedule itself off the
> > > > > cpu until such time as the last transmitted skb is freed, allowing
> > > > > forward progress to be made.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tested by myself and the reporter, with good results
> > > > >
> > > > > Appies to the net tree
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com>
> > > > > Reported-by: Matteo Croce <mcroce@...hat.com>
> > > > > CC: "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>
> > > > > ---
> > > >
> > > > This is a complex change for a narrow configuration. Isn't a
> > > > SCHED_FIFO process preempting ksoftirqd a potential problem for other
> > > > networking workloads as well? And the right configuration to always
> > > > increase ksoftirqd priority when increasing another process's
> > > > priority? Also, even when ksoftirqd kicks in, isn't some progress
> > > > still made on the local_bh_enable reached from schedule()?
> > > >
> > >
> > > A few questions here to answer:
> >
> > Thanks for the detailed explanation.
> >
> Gladly.
>
> > > Regarding other protocols having this problem, thats not the case, because non
> > > packet sockets honor the SK_SNDTIMEO option here (i.e. they sleep for a period
> > > of time specified by the SNDTIMEO option if MSG_DONTWAIT isn't set.  We could
> > > certainly do that, but the current implementation doesn't (opting instead to
> > > wait indefinately until the respective packet(s) have transmitted or errored
> > > out), and I wanted to maintain that behavior.  If there is consensus that packet
> > > sockets should honor SNDTIMEO, then I can certainly do that.
> > >
> > > As for progress made by calling local_bh_enable, My read of the code doesn't
> > > have the scheduler calling local_bh_enable at all.  Instead schedule uses
> > > preempt_disable/preempt_enable_no_resched() to gain exlcusive access to the cpu,
> > > which ignores pending softirqs on re-enablement.
> >
> > Ah, I'm mistaken there, then.
> >
> > >  Perhaps that needs to change,
> > > but I'm averse to making scheduler changes for this (the aforementioned concern
> > > about complex changes for a narrow use case)
> > >
> > > Regarding raising the priority of ksoftirqd, that could be a solution, but the
> > > priority would need to be raised to a high priority SCHED_FIFO parameter, and
> > > that gets back to making complex changes for a narrow problem domain
> > >
> > > As for the comlexity of the of the solution, I think this is, given your
> > > comments the least complex and intrusive change to solve the given problem.
> >
> > Could it be simpler to ensure do_softirq() gets run here? That would
> > allow progress for this case.
> >
> I'm not sure.  On the surface, we certainly could do it, but inserting a call to
> do_softirq, either directly, or indirectly through some other mechanism seems
> like a non-obvious fix, and may lead to confusion down the road.  I'm hesitant
> to pursue such a soultion without some evidence it would make a better solution.
>
> > >  We
> > > need to find a way to force the calling task off the cpu while the asynchronous
> > > operations in the transmit path complete, and we can do that this way, or by
> > > honoring SK_SNDTIMEO.  I'm fine with doing the latter, but I didn't want to
> > > alter the current protocol behavior without consensus on that.
> >
> > In general SCHED_FIFO is dangerous with regard to stalling other
> > progress, incl. ksoftirqd. But it does appear that this packet socket
> > case is special inside networking in calling schedule() directly here.
> >
> > If converting that, should it convert to logic more akin to other
> > sockets, like sock_wait_for_wmem? I haven't had a chance to read up on
> > the pros and cons of completion here yet, sorry. Didn't want to delay
> > responding until after I get a chance.
> >
> That would be the solution described above (i.e. honoring SK_SNDTIMEO.
> Basically you call sock_send_waittimeo, which returns a timeout value, or 0 if
> MSG_DONTWAIT is set), then you block for that period of time waiting for
> transmit completion.

>From an ABI point of view, starting to support SK_SNDTIMEO where it
currently is not implemented certainly seems fine.

>  I'm happy to implement that solution, but I'd like to get
> some clarity as to if there is a reason we don't currently honor that socket
> option now before I change the behavior that way.
>
> Dave, do you have any insight into AF_PACKET history as to why we would ignore
> the send timeout socket option here?

On the point of calling schedule(): even if that is rare, there are a lot of
other cond_resched() calls that may have the same starvation issue
with SCHED_FIFO and ksoftirqd.

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