netdev - Re: [PATCH bpf-next 1/4] bpf: unprivileged BPF access via /dev/bpf

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Message-ID: <20190627170032.GA10304@kroah.com>
Date:   Fri, 28 Jun 2019 01:00:32 +0800
From:   Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
To:     Song Liu <songliubraving@...com>
Cc:     Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Networking <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Kernel Team <Kernel-team@...com>,
        "jannh@...gle.com" <jannh@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 1/4] bpf: unprivileged BPF access via /dev/bpf

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 04:51:20PM +0000, Song Liu wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Jun 27, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 01:00:03AM +0000, Song Liu wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:08 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 03:17:47PM +0000, Song Liu wrote:
> >>>>>> +static struct miscdevice bpf_dev = {
> >>>>>> +	.minor		= MISC_DYNAMIC_MINOR,
> >>>>>> +	.name		= "bpf",
> >>>>>> +	.fops		= &bpf_chardev_ops,
> >>>>>> +	.mode		= 0440,
> >>>>>> +	.nodename	= "bpf",
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Here's what kvm does:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> static struct miscdevice kvm_dev = {
> >>>>>      KVM_MINOR,
> >>>>>      "kvm",
> >>>>>      &kvm_chardev_ops,
> >>>>> };
> >>> 
> >>> Ick, I thought we converted all of these to named initializers a long
> >>> time ago :)
> >>> 
> >>>>> Is there an actual reason that mode is not 0 by default in bpf case? Why
> >>>>> we need to define nodename?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Based on my understanding, mode of 0440 is what we want. If we leave it 
> >>>> as 0, it will use default value of 0600. I guess we can just set it to 
> >>>> 0440, as user space can change it later anyway. 
> >>> 
> >>> Don't rely on userspace changing it, set it to what you want the
> >>> permissions to be in the kernel here, otherwise you have to create a new
> >>> udev rule and get it merged into all of the distros.  Just do it right
> >>> the first time and there is no need for it.
> >>> 
> >>> What is wrong with 0600 for this?  Why 0440?
> >> 
> >> We would like root to own the device, and let users in a certain group 
> >> to be able to open it. So 0440 is what we need. 
> > 
> > But you are doing a "write" ioctl here, right?  So don't you really need
> 
> By "write", you meant that we are modifying a bit in task_struct, right?
> In that sense, we probably need 0220?

You need some sort of write permission to modify something in the kernel :)

> > And why again is this an ioctl instead of a syscall?  What is so magic
> > about the file descriptor here?
> 
> We want to control the permission of this operation via this device. 
> Users that can open the device would be able to run the ioctl. I think 
> syscall cannot achieve control like this, unless we introduce something 
> like CAP_BPF_ADMIN?

Ah, yeah, ick, no, don't go there...

And you can more easily "control" access to this device node from
containers as well.  Ok, that makes sense to me.

thanks,

greg k-h