netdev - Re: [RFC] longer netdev names proposal

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Message-ID: <20190627183948.GK27240@unicorn.suse.cz>
Date:   Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:39:48 +0200
From:   Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@...e.cz>
To:     netdev@...r.kernel.org
Cc:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>,
        Stephen Hemminger <stephen@...workplumber.org>,
        David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>,
        davem@...emloft.net, jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com,
        sthemmin@...rosoft.com, mlxsw@...lanox.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] longer netdev names proposal

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 08:35:38PM +0200, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 11:23:05AM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:08:03 +0200 Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@...e.cz> wrote:
> > 
> > > It often feels as a deficiency that unlike block devices where we can
> > > keep one name and create multiple symlinks based on different naming
> > > schemes, network devices can have only one name. There are aliases but
> > > AFAIK they are only used (and can be only used) for SNMP. IMHO this
> > > limitation is part of the mess that left us with so-called "predictable
> > > names" which are in practice neither persistent nor predictable.
> > > 
> > > So perhaps we could introduce actual aliases (or altnames or whatever we
> > > would call them) for network devices that could be used to identify
> > > a network device whenever both kernel and userspace tool supports them.
> > > Old (and ancient) tools would have to use the one canonical name limited
> > > to current IFNAMSIZ, new tools would allow using any alias which could
> > > be longer.
> >  
> > That is already there in current network model.
> > # ip li set dev eno1 alias 'Onboard Ethernet'
> > # ip li show dev eno1
> > 2: eno1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
> >     link/ether ac:1f:6b:74:38:c0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >     alias Onboard Ethernet
> 
> $ ip li set dev enp3s0 alias "Onboard Ethernet"
> # ip link show "Onboard Ethernet"
> Device "Onboard Ethernet" does not exist.
> 
> So it does not really appear to be an alias, it is a label. To be
> truly useful, it needs to be more than a label, it needs to be a real
> alias which you can use.

That's exactly what I meant: to be really useful, one should be able to
use the alias(es) for setting device options, for adding routes, in
netfilter rules etc.

Michal