netdev - Re: [RFC] longer netdev names proposal

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Message-ID: <20190628135553.GA6640@nanopsycho>
Date:   Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:55:53 +0200
From:   Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>
Cc:     Stephen Hemminger <stephen@...workplumber.org>,
        Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@...e.cz>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>, davem@...emloft.net,
        jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com, mlxsw@...lanox.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] longer netdev names proposal

Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 03:14:01PM CEST, andrew@...n.ch wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 01:12:16PM +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 09:20:41PM CEST, stephen@...workplumber.org wrote:
>> >On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 20:39:48 +0200
>> >Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@...e.cz> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > 
>> >> > $ ip li set dev enp3s0 alias "Onboard Ethernet"
>> >> > # ip link show "Onboard Ethernet"
>> >> > Device "Onboard Ethernet" does not exist.
>> >> > 
>> >> > So it does not really appear to be an alias, it is a label. To be
>> >> > truly useful, it needs to be more than a label, it needs to be a real
>> >> > alias which you can use.  
>> >> 
>> >> That's exactly what I meant: to be really useful, one should be able to
>> >> use the alias(es) for setting device options, for adding routes, in
>> >> netfilter rules etc.
>> >> 
>> >> Michal
>> >
>> >The kernel doesn't enforce uniqueness of alias.
>> >Also current kernel RTM_GETLINK doesn't do filter by alias (easily fixed).
>> >
>> >If it did, then handling it in iproute would be something like:
>> 
>> I think that it is desired for kernel to work with "real alias" as a
>> handle. Userspace could either pass ifindex, IFLA_NAME or "real alias".
>> Userspace mapping like you did here might be perhaps okay for iproute2,
>> but I think that we need something and easy to use for all.
>> 
>> Let's call it "altname". Get would return:
>> 
>> IFLA_NAME  eth0
>> IFLA_ALT_NAME_LIST
>>    IFLA_ALT_NAME  eth0
>>    IFLA_ALT_NAME  somethingelse
>>    IFLA_ALT_NAME  somenamethatisreallylong
>
>Hi Jiri
>
>What is your user case for having multiple IFLA_ALT_NAME for the same
>IFLA_NAME?

I don't know about specific usecase for having more. Perhaps Michal
does.

>From the implementation perspective it is handy to have the ifname as
the first alt name in kernel, so the userspace would just pass
IFLA_ALT_NAME always. Also for avoiding name collisions etc.



>
>	Thanks
>		Andrew
>