netdev - Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 1/5] net: dsa: mt7530: Convert to PHYLINK API

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Message-ID: <56d8024e-1e02-7ff7-abf2-261ec9cbabf7@pobox.com>
Date:   Fri, 28 Jun 2019 02:16:45 -0500
From:   Daniel Santos <daniel.santos@...ox.com>
To:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>
Cc:     René van Dorst <opensource@...rst.com>,
        sean.wang@...iatek.com, f.fainelli@...il.com, davem@...emloft.net,
        matthias.bgg@...il.com, vivien.didelot@...il.com,
        frank-w@...lic-files.de, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-mediatek@...ts.infradead.org, linux-mips@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next 1/5] net: dsa: mt7530: Convert to PHYLINK API

Hello Andrew,

On 6/27/19 2:28 PM, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>>> Looking at the data sheet page, you want FORCE_MODE_Pn set. You never
>>> want the MAC directly talking to the PHY. Bad things will happen.
>> So what exactly do you mean by the MAC directly talking to the PHY?  Do
>> you mean setting speed, duplex, etc. via the MAC registers instead of
>> via MDIO to the MII registers of the PHY?
> The data sheet implies the MAC hardware performs reads on the PHY to
> get the status, and then uses that to configure the MAC. This is often
> called PHY polling. The MAC hardware however has no idea what the PHY
> driver is doing. The MAC does not take the PHY mutex. So the PHY
> driver might be doing something at the same time the MAC hardware
> polls the PHY, and it gets odd results. Some PHYs have multiple pages,
> and for example reading the temperature sensor means swapping
> pages. If the MAC hardware was to poll while the sensor is being read,
> it would not get the link status, it would read some random
> temperature register.
>
> So you want the PHY driver to read the results of auto-neg and it then
> tell the MAC the results, so the MAC can be configured correctly.

Thank you, this is very helpful!  I finally understand why these
settings are in two different places. :)  Unfortunately this driver (in
OpenWRT) does a lot of "magic" during init to registers that I don't
have documentation for, but I see where auto-polling can be disabled now.

>>> Then use FORCE_RX_FC_Pn and FORCE_TX_Pn to reflect phydev->pause and
>>> phydev->asym_pause.
>>>
>>> The same idea applies when using phylink.
>>>
>>>     Andrew
>> You're help is greatly appreciated here.  Admittedly, I'm also trying to
>> get this working in the now deprecated swconfig for a 3.18 kernel that's
>> in production.
> I'm not very familiar with swconfig. Is there software driving the
> PHY? If not, it is then safe for the MAC hardware to poll the PHY.
>
>      Andrew

swconfig is an netlink-based interface the OpenWRT team developed for
configuring switches before DSA was converted into a vendor-neutral
interface.  Now that DSA does what swconfig was designed for it has been
deprecated, although (to my knowledge) we don't yet have DSA for all
devices that OpenWRT supports.

Daniel