netdev - Re: [PATCH] virtio-net: parameterize min ring num

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Message-ID: <20190718104307-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date:   Thu, 18 Jul 2019 10:43:46 -0400
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:     ? jiang <jiangkidd@...mail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] virtio-net: parameterize min ring num_free for virtio
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 10:42:47AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 10:01:05PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > 
> > On 2019/7/18 下午9:04, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 12:55:50PM +0000, ? jiang wrote:
> > > > This change makes ring buffer reclaim threshold num_free configurable
> > > > for better performance, while it's hard coded as 1/2 * queue now.
> > > > According to our test with qemu + dpdk, packet dropping happens when
> > > > the guest is not able to provide free buffer in avail ring timely.
> > > > Smaller value of num_free does decrease the number of packet dropping
> > > > during our test as it makes virtio_net reclaim buffer earlier.
> > > > 
> > > > At least, we should leave the value changeable to user while the
> > > > default value as 1/2 * queue is kept.
> > > > 
> > > > Signed-off-by: jiangkidd<jiangkidd@...mail.com>
> > > That would be one reason, but I suspect it's not the
> > > true one. If you need more buffer due to jitter
> > > then just increase the queue size. Would be cleaner.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > However are you sure this is the reason for
> > > packet drops? Do you see them dropped by dpdk
> > > due to lack of space in the ring? As opposed to
> > > by guest?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Besides those, this patch depends on the user to choose a suitable threshold
> > which is not good. You need either a good value with demonstrated numbers or
> > something smarter.
> > 
> > Thanks
> 
> I do however think that we have a problem right now: try_fill_recv can
> take up a long time during which net stack does not run at all. Imagine
> a 1K queue - we are talking 512 packets. That's exceessive.  napi poll
> weight solves a similar problem, so it might make sense to cap this at
> napi_poll_weight.
> 
> Which will allow tweaking it through a module parameter as a
> side effect :) Maybe just do NAPI_POLL_WEIGHT.

Or maybe NAPI_POLL_WEIGHT/2 like we do at half the queue ;). Please
experiment, measure performance and let the list know

> Need to be careful though: queues can also be small and I don't think we
> want to exceed queue size / 2, or maybe queue size - napi_poll_weight.
> Definitely must not exceed the full queue size.
> 
> -- 
> MST