netdev - Re: [PATCH V2 7/9] vhost: do not use RCU to synchronize MMU notifier with worker

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Message-ID: <86444f93-e507-cfd9-598b-51466bb02354@redhat.com>
Date:   Mon, 5 Aug 2019 16:24:27 +0800
From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...pe.ca>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 7/9] vhost: do not use RCU to synchronize MMU notifier
 with worker

On 2019/8/5 下午2:40, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 12:41:45PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> On 2019/8/5 下午12:36, Jason Wang wrote:
>>> On 2019/8/2 下午10:27, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 09:46:13AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 05:40:07PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>>>>> This must be a proper barrier, like a spinlock, mutex, or
>>>>>>> synchronize_rcu.
>>>>>> I start with synchronize_rcu() but both you and Michael raise some
>>>>>> concern.
>>>>> I've also idly wondered if calling synchronize_rcu() under the various
>>>>> mm locks is a deadlock situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I try spinlock and mutex:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) spinlock: add lots of overhead on datapath, this leads 0
>>>>>> performance
>>>>>> improvement.
>>>>> I think the topic here is correctness not performance improvement
>>>> The topic is whether we should revert
>>>> commit 7f466032dc9 ("vhost: access vq metadata through kernel
>>>> virtual address")
>>>>
>>>> or keep it in. The only reason to keep it is performance.
>>>
>>> Maybe it's time to introduce the config option?
>>
>> Or does it make sense if I post a V3 with:
>>
>> - introduce config option and disable the optimization by default
>>
>> - switch from synchronize_rcu() to vhost_flush_work(), but the rest are the
>> same
>>
>> This can give us some breath to decide which way should go for next release?
>>
>> Thanks
> As is, with preempt enabled?  Nope I don't think blocking an invalidator
> on swap IO is ok, so I don't believe this stuff is going into this
> release at this point.
>
> So it's more a question of whether it's better to revert and apply a clean
> patch on top, or just keep the code around but disabled with an ifdef as is.
> I'm open to both options, and would like your opinion on this.

Then I prefer to leave current code (VHOST_ARCH_CAN_ACCEL to 0) as is. 
This can also save efforts on rebasing packed virtqueues.

Thanks

>
>>>
>>>> Now as long as all this code is disabled anyway, we can experiment a
>>>> bit.
>>>>
>>>> I personally feel we would be best served by having two code paths:
>>>>
>>>> - Access to VM memory directly mapped into kernel
>>>> - Access to userspace
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Having it all cleanly split will allow a bunch of optimizations, for
>>>> example for years now we planned to be able to process an incoming short
>>>> packet directly on softirq path, or an outgoing on directly within
>>>> eventfd.
>>>
>>> It's not hard consider we've already had our own accssors. But the
>>> question is (as asked in another thread), do you want permanent GUP or
>>> still use MMU notifiers.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
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