netdev - Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] net: core: Notify on changes to dev->promiscuity.

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Message-ID: <20190830085445.1c28dc02@ceranb>
Date:   Fri, 30 Aug 2019 08:54:45 +0200
From:   Ivan Vecera <ivecera@...hat.com>
To:     Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
Cc:     David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, idosch@...sch.org,
        andrew@...n.ch, horatiu.vultur@...rochip.com,
        alexandre.belloni@...tlin.com, UNGLinuxDriver@...rochip.com,
        allan.nielsen@...rochip.com, f.fainelli@...il.com,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] net: core: Notify on changes to
 dev->promiscuity.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 08:36:24 +0200
Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us> wrote:

> Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 08:02:33AM CEST, davem@...emloft.net wrote:
> >From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
> >Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 07:39:40 +0200
> >  
> >> Because the "promisc mode" would gain another meaning. Now how the
> >> driver should guess which meaning the user ment when he setted it?
> >> filter or trap?
> >> 
> >> That is very confusing. If the flag is the way to do this, let's
> >> introduce another flag, like IFF_TRAPPING indicating that user
> >> wants exactly this.  
> >
> >I don't understand how the meaning of promiscuous mode for a
> >networking device has suddenly become ambiguous, when did this start
> >happening?  
> 
> The promiscuity is a way to setup the rx filter. So promics == rx
> filter off. For normal nics, where there is no hw fwd datapath,
> this coincidentally means all received packets go to cpu.
> But if there is hw fwd datapath, rx filter is still off, all rxed
> packets are processed. But that does not mean they should be trapped
> to cpu.

+1
Promisc is Rx filtering option and should not imply that offloaded
traffic is trapped to CPU.

> Simple example:
> I need to see slowpath packets, for example arps/stp/bgp/... that
> are going to cpu, I do:
> tcpdump -i swp1
> 
> I don't want to get all the traffic running over hw running this cmd.
> This is a valid usecase.
> 
> To cope with hw fwd datapath devices, I believe that tcpdump has to
> have notion of that. Something like:
> 
> tcpdump -i swp1 --hw-trapping-mode
> 
> The logic can be inverse:
> tcpdump -i swp1
> tcpdump -i swp1 --no-hw-trapping-mode
> 
> However, that would provide inconsistent behaviour between existing
> and patched tcpdump/kernel.
> 
> All I'm trying to say, there are 2 flags
> needed (if we don't use tc trap).