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Date:   Mon, 23 Sep 2019 10:34:03 +0800
From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:     Matt Cover <werekraken@...il.com>
Cc:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>, davem@...emloft.net,
        ast@...nel.org, daniel@...earbox.net, kafai@...com,
        songliubraving@...com, yhs@...com,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@...gle.com>,
        Matthew Cover <matthew.cover@...ckpath.com>,
        mail@...urcelik.de, pabeni@...hat.com,
        Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@...nd.com>,
        wangli39@...du.com, lifei.shirley@...edance.com,
        tglx@...utronix.de, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, bpf@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] tuntap: Fallback to automq on TUNSETSTEERINGEBPF
 prog negative return


On 2019/9/23 上午9:15, Matt Cover wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 5:51 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2019/9/23 上午6:30, Matt Cover wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:36 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 10:43:19AM -0700, Matt Cover wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 5:37 AM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:58:43AM -0700, Matthew Cover wrote:
>>>>>>> Treat a negative return from a TUNSETSTEERINGEBPF bpf prog as a signal
>>>>>>> to fallback to tun_automq_select_queue() for tx queue selection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compilation of this exact patch was tested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For functional testing 3 additional printk()s were added.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Functional testing results (on 2 txq tap device):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] ========== tun no prog ==========
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: tun_ebpf_select_queue() returned '-1'
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: tun_automq_select_queue() ran
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] ========== tun prog -1 ==========
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: bpf_prog_run_clear_cb() returned '-1'
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: tun_ebpf_select_queue() returned '-1'
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: tun_automq_select_queue() ran
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] ========== tun prog 0 ==========
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: bpf_prog_run_clear_cb() returned '0'
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: tun_ebpf_select_queue() returned '0'
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] ========== tun prog 1 ==========
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: bpf_prog_run_clear_cb() returned '1'
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: tun_ebpf_select_queue() returned '1'
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] ========== tun prog 2 ==========
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: bpf_prog_run_clear_cb() returned '2'
>>>>>>>     [Fri Sep 20 18:33:27 2019] tuntap: tun_ebpf_select_queue() returned '0'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Matthew Cover <matthew.cover@...ckpath.com>
>>>>>> Could you add a bit more motivation data here?
>>>>> Thank you for these questions Michael.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll plan on adding the below information to the
>>>>> commit message and submitting a v2 of this patch
>>>>> when net-next reopens. In the meantime, it would
>>>>> be very helpful to know if these answers address
>>>>> some of your concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. why is this a good idea
>>>>> This change allows TUNSETSTEERINGEBPF progs to
>>>>> do any of the following.
>>>>>    1. implement queue selection for a subset of
>>>>>       traffic (e.g. special queue selection logic
>>>>>       for ipv4, but return negative and use the
>>>>>       default automq logic for ipv6)
>>>>>    2. determine there isn't sufficient information
>>>>>       to do proper queue selection; return
>>>>>       negative and use the default automq logic
>>>>>       for the unknown
>>>>>    3. implement a noop prog (e.g. do
>>>>>       bpf_trace_printk() then return negative and
>>>>>       use the default automq logic for everything)
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. how do we know existing userspace does not rely on existing behaviour
>>>>> Prior to this change a negative return from a
>>>>> TUNSETSTEERINGEBPF prog would have been cast
>>>>> into a u16 and traversed netdev_cap_txqueue().
>>>>>
>>>>> In most cases netdev_cap_txqueue() would have
>>>>> found this value to exceed real_num_tx_queues
>>>>> and queue_index would be updated to 0.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is possible that a TUNSETSTEERINGEBPF prog
>>>>> return a negative value which when cast into a
>>>>> u16 results in a positive queue_index less than
>>>>> real_num_tx_queues. For example, on x86_64, a
>>>>> return value of -65535 results in a queue_index
>>>>> of 1; which is a valid queue for any multiqueue
>>>>> device.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems unlikely, however as stated above is
>>>>> unfortunately possible, that existing
>>>>> TUNSETSTEERINGEBPF programs would choose to
>>>>> return a negative value rather than return the
>>>>> positive value which holds the same meaning.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems more likely that future
>>>>> TUNSETSTEERINGEBPF programs would leverage a
>>>>> negative return and potentially be loaded into
>>>>> a kernel with the old behavior.
>>>> OK if we are returning a special
>>>> value, shouldn't we limit it? How about a special
>>>> value with this meaning?
>>>> If we are changing an ABI let's at least make it
>>>> extensible.
>>>>
>>> A special value with this meaning sounds
>>> good to me. I'll plan on adding a define
>>> set to -1 to cause the fallback to automq.
>>
>> Can it really return -1?
>>
>> I see:
>>
>> static inline u32 bpf_prog_run_clear_cb(const struct bpf_prog *prog,
>>                                           struct sk_buff *skb)
>> ...
>>
>>
>>> The way I was initially viewing the old
>>> behavior was that returning negative was
>>> undefined; it happened to have the
>>> outcomes I walked through, but not
>>> necessarily by design.
>>
>> Having such fallback may bring extra troubles, it requires the eBPF
>> program know the existence of the behavior which is not a part of kernel
>> ABI actually. And then some eBPF program may start to rely on that which
>> is pretty dangerous. Note, one important consideration is to have
>> macvtap support where does not have any stuffs like automq.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
> How about we call this TUN_SSE_ABORT
> instead of TUN_SSE_DO_AUTOMQ?
>
> TUN_SSE_ABORT could be documented as
> falling back to the default queue
> selection method in either space
> (presumably macvtap has some queue
> selection method when there is no prog).


This looks like a more complex API, we don't want userspace to differ 
macvtap from tap too much.

Thanks


>
>>> In order to keep the new behavior
>>> extensible, how should we state that a
>>> negative return other than -1 is
>>> undefined and therefore subject to
>>> change. Is something like this
>>> sufficient?
>>>
>>>     Documentation/networking/tc-actions-env-rules.txt
>>>
>>> Additionally, what should the new
>>> behavior implement when a negative other
>>> than -1 is returned? I would like to have
>>> it do the same thing as -1 for now, but
>>> with the understanding that this behavior
>>> is undefined. Does this sound reasonable?
>>>
>>>>>> 3. why doesn't userspace need a way to figure out whether it runs on a kernel with and
>>>>>>      without this patch
>>>>> There may be some value in exposing this fact
>>>>> to the ebpf prog loader. What is the standard
>>>>> practice here, a define?
>>>> We'll need something at runtime - people move binaries between kernels
>>>> without rebuilding then. An ioctl is one option.
>>>> A sysfs attribute is another, an ethtool flag yet another.
>>>> A combination of these is possible.
>>>>
>>>> And if we are doing this anyway, maybe let userspace select
>>>> the new behaviour? This way we can stay compatible with old
>>>> userspace...
>>>>
>>> Understood. I'll look into adding an
>>> ioctl to activate the new behavior. And
>>> perhaps a method of checking which is
>>> behavior is currently active (in case we
>>> ever want to change the default, say
>>> after some suitably long transition
>>> period).
>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>> MST
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>    drivers/net/tun.c | 20 +++++++++++---------
>>>>>>>    1 file changed, 11 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/tun.c b/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>>>>> index aab0be4..173d159 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>>>>> +++ b/drivers/net/tun.c
>>>>>>> @@ -583,35 +583,37 @@ static u16 tun_automq_select_queue(struct tun_struct *tun, struct sk_buff *skb)
>>>>>>>         return txq;
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -static u16 tun_ebpf_select_queue(struct tun_struct *tun, struct sk_buff *skb)
>>>>>>> +static int tun_ebpf_select_queue(struct tun_struct *tun, struct sk_buff *skb)
>>>>>>>    {
>>>>>>>         struct tun_prog *prog;
>>>>>>>         u32 numqueues;
>>>>>>> -     u16 ret = 0;
>>>>>>> +     int ret = -1;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         numqueues = READ_ONCE(tun->numqueues);
>>>>>>>         if (!numqueues)
>>>>>>>                 return 0;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +     rcu_read_lock();
>>>>>>>         prog = rcu_dereference(tun->steering_prog);
>>>>>>>         if (prog)
>>>>>>>                 ret = bpf_prog_run_clear_cb(prog->prog, skb);
>>>>>>> +     rcu_read_unlock();
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -     return ret % numqueues;
>>>>>>> +     if (ret >= 0)
>>>>>>> +             ret %= numqueues;
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +     return ret;
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    static u16 tun_select_queue(struct net_device *dev, struct sk_buff *skb,
>>>>>>>                             struct net_device *sb_dev)
>>>>>>>    {
>>>>>>>         struct tun_struct *tun = netdev_priv(dev);
>>>>>>> -     u16 ret;
>>>>>>> +     int ret;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -     rcu_read_lock();
>>>>>>> -     if (rcu_dereference(tun->steering_prog))
>>>>>>> -             ret = tun_ebpf_select_queue(tun, skb);
>>>>>>> -     else
>>>>>>> +     ret = tun_ebpf_select_queue(tun, skb);
>>>>>>> +     if (ret < 0)
>>>>>>>                 ret = tun_automq_select_queue(tun, skb);
>>>>>>> -     rcu_read_unlock();
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         return ret;
>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 1.8.3.1

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