netdev - Re: [PATCH v2] vhost: introduce mdev based hardware backend

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Message-ID: <20191028015842.GA9005@___>
Date:   Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:58:42 +0800
From:   Tiwei Bie <tiwei.bie@...el.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>,
        "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
Cc:     alex.williamson@...hat.com, maxime.coquelin@...hat.com,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, kvm@...r.kernel.org,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        dan.daly@...el.com, cunming.liang@...el.com,
        zhihong.wang@...el.com, lingshan.zhu@...el.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vhost: introduce mdev based hardware backend

On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 08:16:26AM -0400, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 05:54:55PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > On 2019/10/24 下午6:42, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > 
> > > Yes.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >   And we should try to avoid
> > > > putting ctrl vq and Rx/Tx vqs in the same DMA space to prevent
> > > > guests having the chance to bypass the host (e.g. QEMU) to
> > > > setup the backend accelerator directly.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That's really good point.  So when "vhost" type is created, parent
> > > should assume addr of ctrl_vq is hva.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > This works for vhost but not virtio since there's no way for virtio kernel
> > driver to differ ctrl_vq with the rest when doing DMA map. One possible
> > solution is to provide DMA domain isolation between virtqueues. Then ctrl vq
> > can use its dedicated DMA domain for the work.

It might not be a bad idea to let the parent drivers distinguish
between virtio-mdev mdevs and vhost-mdev mdevs in ctrl-vq handling
by mdev's class id.

> > 
> > Anyway, this could be done in the future. We can have a version first that
> > doesn't support ctrl_vq.

+1, thanks

> > 
> > Thanks
> 
> Well no ctrl_vq implies either no offloads, or no XDP (since XDP needs
> to disable offloads dynamically).
> 
>         if (!virtio_has_feature(vi->vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_CTRL_GUEST_OFFLOADS)
>             && (virtio_has_feature(vi->vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_TSO4) ||
>                 virtio_has_feature(vi->vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_TSO6) ||
>                 virtio_has_feature(vi->vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_ECN) ||
>                 virtio_has_feature(vi->vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_UFO) ||
>                 virtio_has_feature(vi->vdev, VIRTIO_NET_F_GUEST_CSUM))) {
>                 NL_SET_ERR_MSG_MOD(extack, "Can't set XDP while host is implementing LRO/CSUM, disable LRO/CSUM first");
>                 return -EOPNOTSUPP;
>         }
> 
> neither is very attractive.
> 
> So yes ok just for development but we do need to figure out how it will
> work down the road in production.

Totally agree.

> 
> So really this specific virtio net device does not support control vq,
> instead it supports a different transport specific way to send commands
> to device.
> 
> Some kind of extension to the transport? Ideas?
> 
> 
> -- 
> MST