netdev - Re: [PATCH v8 net-next 0/9] ipv6: Extension header infrastructure

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Message-ID: <CALx6S34vyjNnVbYfjqB1mNDDr3-zQixzXk=kgDqjJ0yxHVCgKg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 3 Jan 2020 14:31:58 -0800
From:   Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>
To:     David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Cc:     Ahmed Abdelsalam <ahabdels.dev@...il.com>,
        Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Simon Horman <simon.horman@...ronome.com>,
        Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 net-next 0/9] ipv6: Extension header infrastructure

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:45 PM David Miller <davem@...emloft.net> wrote:
>
> From: Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>
> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 09:35:08 -0800
>
> > The real way to combat this provide open implementation that
> > demonstrates the correct use of the protocols and show that's more
> > extensible and secure than these "hacks".
>
> Keep dreaming, this won't stop Cisco from doing whatever it wants to do.

See QUIC. See TLS. See TCP fast open. See transport layer encryption.
These are prime examples where we've steered the Internet from host
protocols and implementation to successfully obsolete or at least work
around protocol ossification that was perpetuated by router vendors.
Cisco is not the Internet!