netdev - Re: [PATCH 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus

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Date:   Tue, 21 Jan 2020 03:15:43 -0500
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...lanox.com>,
        Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@...lanox.com>,
        Rob Miller <rob.miller@...adcom.com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
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        "Liang, Cunming" <cunming.liang@...el.com>,
        "Wang, Zhihong" <zhihong.wang@...el.com>,
        "Wang, Xiao W" <xiao.w.wang@...el.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] vDPA: introduce vDPA bus

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 04:00:38PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> On 2020/1/21 下午1:47, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:00:57PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On 2020/1/21 上午1:49, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 04:43:53PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > This is similar to the design of platform IOMMU part of vhost-vdpa. We
> > > > > decide to send diffs to platform IOMMU there. If it's ok to do that in
> > > > > driver, we can replace set_map with incremental API like map()/unmap().
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then driver need to maintain rbtree itself.
> > > > I think we really need to see two modes, one where there is a fixed
> > > > translation without dynamic vIOMMU driven changes and one that
> > > > supports vIOMMU.
> > > 
> > > I think in this case, you meant the method proposed by Shahaf that sends
> > > diffs of "fixed translation" to device?
> > > 
> > > It would be kind of tricky to deal with the following case for example:
> > > 
> > > old map [4G, 16G) new map [4G, 8G)
> > > 
> > > If we do
> > > 
> > > 1) flush [4G, 16G)
> > > 2) add [4G, 8G)
> > > 
> > > There could be a window between 1) and 2).
> > > 
> > > It requires the IOMMU that can do
> > > 
> > > 1) remove [8G, 16G)
> > > 2) flush [8G, 16G)
> > > 3) change [4G, 8G)
> > > 
> > > ....
> > Basically what I had in mind is something like qemu memory api
> > 
> > 0. begin
> > 1. remove [8G, 16G)
> > 2. add [4G, 8G)
> > 3. commit
> 
> 
> This sounds more flexible e.g driver may choose to implement static mapping
> one through commit. But a question here, it looks to me this still requires
> the DMA to be synced with at least commit here. Otherwise device may get DMA
> fault? Or device is expected to be paused DMA during begin?
> 
> Thanks

For example, commit might switch one set of tables for another,
without need to pause DMA.

> 
> > 
> > Anyway, I'm fine with a one-shot API for now, we can
> > improve it later.
> > 
> > > > There are different optimization goals in the drivers for these two
> > > > configurations.
> > > > 
> > > > > > If the first one, then I think memory hotplug is a heavy flow
> > > > > > regardless. Do you think the extra cycles for the tree traverse
> > > > > > will be visible in any way?
> > > > > I think if the driver can pause the DMA during the time for setting up new
> > > > > mapping, it should be fine.
> > > > This is very tricky for any driver if the mapping change hits the
> > > > virtio rings. :(
> > > > 
> > > > Even a IOMMU using driver is going to have problems with that..
> > > > 
> > > > Jason
> > > 
> > > Or I wonder whether ATS/PRI can help here. E.g during I/O page fault,
> > > driver/device can wait for the new mapping to be set and then replay the
> > > DMA.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> >