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Date:   Mon, 27 Jan 2020 07:18:54 +0200
From:   Leon Romanovsky <leon@...nel.org>
To:     Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@...e.cz>
Cc:     netdev@...r.kernel.org, Shannon Nelson <snelson@...sando.io>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Michal Kalderon <michal.kalderon@...vell.com>,
        RDMA mailing list <linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] net/core: Replace driver version to be kernel
 version

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 11:22:53PM +0100, Michal Kubecek wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 02:12:38PM -0800, Shannon Nelson wrote:
> > On 1/26/20 1:24 PM, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 01:17:52PM -0800, Shannon Nelson wrote:
> > > > On 1/26/20 1:08 PM, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > > The long-standing policy in kernel that we don't really care about
> > > > > out-of-tree code.
> > > > That doesn't mean we need to be aggressively against out-of-tree code.  One
> > > > of the positive points about Linux and loadable modules has always been the
> > > > flexibility that allows and encourages innovation, and helps enable more
> > > > work and testing before a driver can become a fully-fledged part of the
> > > > kernel.  This move actively discourages part of that flexibility and I think
> > > > it is breaking part of the usefulness of modules.
> > > You are mixing definitions, nothing stops those people to innovate and
> > > develop their code inside kernel and as standalone modules too.
> > >
> > > It just stops them to put useless driver version string inside ethtool.
> > > If they feel that their life can't be without something from 90s, they
> > > have venerable MODULE_VERSION() macro to print anything they want.
> > >
> > Part of the pain of supporting our users is getting them to give us useful
> > information about their problem.  The more commands I need them to run to
> > get information about the environment, the less likely I will get anything
> > useful.  We've been training our users over the years to use "ethtool -i" to
> > get a good chunk of that info, with the knowledge that the driver version is
> > only a hint, based upon the distro involved.  I don't want to lose that
> > hint.  If anything, I'd prefer that we added a field for UTS_RELEASE in the
> > ethtool output, but I know that's too much to ask.
>
> At the same time, I've been trying to explain both our L1/L2 support
> guys and our customers that "driver version" information reported by
> "ethtool -i" is almost useless and that if they really want to identify
> driver version, they should rather use srcversion as reported by modinfo
> or sysfs.

We went even farther and wrote simple bash script that collects all
needed information from the system.

Thanks

>
> Michal

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