netdev - Re: [v1,net-next, 1/2] ethtool: add setting frame preemption of traffic classes

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Message-ID: <877e0tx71r.fsf@linux.intel.com>
Date:   Tue, 11 Feb 2020 11:22:56 -0800
From:   Vinicius Costa Gomes <vinicius.gomes@...el.com>
To:     Murali Karicheri <m-karicheri2@...com>,
        Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [v1,net-next, 1/2] ethtool: add setting frame preemption of traffic classes

Murali Karicheri <m-karicheri2@...com> writes:

> We are still working to send a patch for taprio offload on our hardware
> and it may take a while to get to this. So if someone can help to add
> the required kernel/driver interface for this, that will be great!

Will add this to my todo list. But if anyone else has the spare cycles
feel free to have a go at it.

>
>>>>       - ConfigChangeError - Error in configuration (AdminBaseTime <
>>>>         CurrentTime)
>>>
>>> This can be exported similarly.
>> 
>> In my view, having this as a "runtime" error is not useful, as we can
>> verify this at configuration time.
>
> Looks like this is not an error per 802.1Q standard if I understood it
> correctly.
>
> This is what I see.
> =======================================================================
>  From 802.1Q 2018, 8.6.9.1.1 SetCycleStartTime()
>
> If AdminBaseTime is set to the same time in the past in all bridges and
> end stations, OperBaseTime is always in the past, and all cycles start
> synchronized. Using AdminBaseTime in the past is appropriate when you
> can start schedules prior to starting the application that uses the
> schedules. Use of AdminBaseTime in the future is intended to change a
> currently running schedule in all bridges and end stations to a new
> schedule at a future time. Using AdminBaseTime in the future is
> appropriate when schedules must be changed without stopping the
> application
> ========================================================================
>

What I meant here is the case that I already have an "oper" schedule
running, so my "oper->base_time" is in the past, and I try to add an
"admin" schedule with a "base_time" also in the past. What's the
expected behavior in this case? The text about stopping/starting
applications doesn't seem to apply to the way the tc subsystem interacts
with the applications.

>> 
>>>
>>>>       - SupportedListMax - Maximum supported Admin/Open shed list.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a plan to export these from driver through tc show or such
>>>> command? The reason being, there would be applications developed to
>>>> manage configuration/schedule of TSN nodes that would requires these
>>>> information from the node. So would need a support either in tc or
>>>> some other means to retrieve them from hardware or driver. That is my
>>>> understanding...
>>>>
>> 
>> Hm, now I understamd what you meant here...
>> 
>>>
>>> Not sure what answer you expect to receive for "is there any plan".
>>> You can go ahead and propose something, as long as it is reasonably
>>> useful to have.
>> 
>> ... if this is indeed useful, perhaps one way to do is to add a subcommand
>> to TC_SETUP_QDISC_TAPRIO, so we can retrieve the stats/information we want
>> from the driver. Similar to what cls_flower does.
>> 
>
> What I understand is that there will be some work done to allow auto
> configuration of TSN nodes from user space and that would need access to
> all or some of the above parameters along with tc command to configure
> the same. May be a open source project for this or some custom
> application? Any such projects existing??

Yeah, this is a big missing piece for TSN. I've heard 'netopeer2' and
'sysrepo' mentioned when similar questions were asked, but I have still
to take a look at them and see what's missing. (Or if they are the right
tool for the job)


-- 
Vinicius