netdev - Re: [PATCH bpf-next 1/4] xdp: Support specifying expected existing program when attaching XDP

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Message-ID: <20200323235441.GA33093@rdna-mbp>
Date:   Mon, 23 Mar 2020 16:54:41 -0700
From:   Andrey Ignatov <rdna@...com>
To:     Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>
CC:     Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com>,
        Song Liu <songliubraving@...com>, Yonghong Song <yhs@...com>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@...com>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>,
        John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        Lorenz Bauer <lmb@...udflare.com>,
        Networking <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 1/4] xdp: Support specifying expected existing
 program when attaching XDP

Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com> [Mon, 2020-03-23 04:25 -0700]:
> Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 1:48 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org> writes:
> >>
> >> > On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:13:13 +0100 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> >> >> From: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> While it is currently possible for userspace to specify that an existing
> >> >> XDP program should not be replaced when attaching to an interface, there is
> >> >> no mechanism to safely replace a specific XDP program with another.
> >> >>
> >> >> This patch adds a new netlink attribute, IFLA_XDP_EXPECTED_FD, which can be
> >> >> set along with IFLA_XDP_FD. If set, the kernel will check that the program
> >> >> currently loaded on the interface matches the expected one, and fail the
> >> >> operation if it does not. This corresponds to a 'cmpxchg' memory operation.
> >> >>
> >> >> A new companion flag, XDP_FLAGS_EXPECT_FD, is also added to explicitly
> >> >> request checking of the EXPECTED_FD attribute. This is needed for userspace
> >> >> to discover whether the kernel supports the new attribute.
> >> >>
> >> >> Signed-off-by: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>
> >> >
> >> > I didn't know we wanted to go ahead with this...
> >>
> >> Well, I'm aware of the bpf_link discussion, obviously. Not sure what's
> >> happening with that, though. So since this is a straight-forward
> >> extension of the existing API, that doesn't carry a high implementation
> >> cost, I figured I'd just go ahead with this. Doesn't mean we can't have
> >> something similar in bpf_link as well, of course.
> >>
> >> > If we do please run this thru checkpatch, set .strict_start_type,
> >>
> >> Will do.
> >>
> >> > and make the expected fd unsigned. A negative expected fd makes no
> >> > sense.
> >>
> >> A negative expected_fd corresponds to setting the UPDATE_IF_NOEXIST
> >> flag. I guess you could argue that since we have that flag, setting a
> >> negative expected_fd is not strictly needed. However, I thought it was
> >> weird to have a "this is what I expect" API that did not support
> >> expressing "I expect no program to be attached".
> >
> > For BPF syscall it seems the typical approach when optional FD is
> > needed is to have extra flag (e.g., BPF_F_REPLACE for cgroups) and if
> > it's not specified - enforce zero for that optional fd. That handles
> > backwards compatibility cases well as well.
> 
> Never did understand how that is supposed to square with 0 being a valid
> fd number?

In BPF_F_REPLACE case (since it was used as an example in this thread)
it's all pretty clear:

* if the flag is set, use fd from attr.replace_bpf_fd that can be anything
  (incl. zero, since indeed it's valid fd) no problem with that;
* if flag is not set, ignore replace_bpf_fd completely.

It's descirbed in commit log in 7dd68b3279f1:

    ...

    BPF_F_REPLACE is introduced to make the user intent clear, since
    replace_bpf_fd alone can't be used for this (its default value, 0, is a
    valid fd). BPF_F_REPLACE also makes it possible to extend the API in the
    future (e.g. add BPF_F_BEFORE and BPF_F_AFTER if needed).

    ...

, i.e. flag presense is important, not the fd attribute being zero.

Hope it clarifies.


-- 
Andrey Ignatov