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Message-ID: <20200417045454-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date:   Fri, 17 Apr 2020 04:57:41 -0400
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Cc:     linux-mips@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
        linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org, linux-s390@...r.kernel.org,
        kvm@...r.kernel.org, virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, geert@...ux-m68k.org,
        tsbogend@...ha.franken.de, benh@...nel.crashing.org,
        paulus@...ba.org, heiko.carstens@...ibm.com, gor@...ux.ibm.com,
        borntraeger@...ibm.com, Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2] vhost: do not enable VHOST_MENU by default

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 04:51:19PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> On 2020/4/17 下午4:46, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 04:39:49PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > On 2020/4/17 下午4:29, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 03:36:52PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > On 2020/4/17 下午2:33, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:12:14AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2020/4/17 上午6:55, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:43:56AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > > > > > > > We try to keep the defconfig untouched after decoupling CONFIG_VHOST
> > > > > > > > > out of CONFIG_VIRTUALIZATION in commit 20c384f1ea1a
> > > > > > > > > ("vhost: refine vhost and vringh kconfig") by enabling VHOST_MENU by
> > > > > > > > > default. Then the defconfigs can keep enabling CONFIG_VHOST_NET
> > > > > > > > > without the caring of CONFIG_VHOST.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > But this will leave a "CONFIG_VHOST_MENU=y" in all defconfigs and even
> > > > > > > > > for the ones that doesn't want vhost. So it actually shifts the
> > > > > > > > > burdens to the maintainers of all other to add "CONFIG_VHOST_MENU is
> > > > > > > > > not set". So this patch tries to enable CONFIG_VHOST explicitly in
> > > > > > > > > defconfigs that enables CONFIG_VHOST_NET and CONFIG_VHOST_VSOCK.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Acked-by: Christian Borntraeger<borntraeger@...ibm.com>   (s390)
> > > > > > > > > Acked-by: Michael Ellerman<mpe@...erman.id.au>   (powerpc)
> > > > > > > > > Cc: Thomas Bogendoerfer<tsbogend@...ha.franken.de>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt<benh@...nel.crashing.org>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: Paul Mackerras<paulus@...ba.org>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: Michael Ellerman<mpe@...erman.id.au>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: Heiko Carstens<heiko.carstens@...ibm.com>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: Vasily Gorbik<gor@...ux.ibm.com>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: Christian Borntraeger<borntraeger@...ibm.com>
> > > > > > > > > Reported-by: Geert Uytterhoeven<geert@...ux-m68k.org>
> > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Jason Wang<jasowang@...hat.com>
> > > > > > > > I rebased this on top of OABI fix since that
> > > > > > > > seems more orgent to fix.
> > > > > > > > Pushed to my vhost branch pls take a look and
> > > > > > > > if possible test.
> > > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > > I test this patch by generating the defconfigs that wants vhost_net or
> > > > > > > vhost_vsock. All looks fine.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > But having CONFIG_VHOST_DPN=y may end up with the similar situation that
> > > > > > > this patch want to address.
> > > > > > > Maybe we can let CONFIG_VHOST depends on !ARM || AEABI then add another
> > > > > > > menuconfig for VHOST_RING and do something similar?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Sorry I don't understand. After this patch CONFIG_VHOST_DPN is just
> > > > > > an internal variable for the OABI fix. I kept it separate
> > > > > > so it's easy to revert for 5.8. Yes we could squash it into
> > > > > > VHOST directly but I don't see how that changes logic at all.
> > > > > Sorry for being unclear.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I meant since it was enabled by default, "CONFIG_VHOST_DPN=y" will be left
> > > > > in the defconfigs.
> > > > But who cares?
> > > FYI, please seehttps://www.spinics.net/lists/kvm/msg212685.html
> > The complaint was not about the symbol IIUC.  It was that we caused
> > everyone to build vhost unless they manually disabled it.
> 
> 
> There could be some misunderstanding here. I thought it's somehow similar: a
> CONFIG_VHOST_MENU=y will be left in the defconfigs even if CONFIG_VHOST is
> not set.
> 
> Thanks

Hmm. So looking at Documentation/kbuild/kconfig-language.rst :

        Things that merit "default y/m" include:

        a) A new Kconfig option for something that used to always be built
           should be "default y".


        b) A new gatekeeping Kconfig option that hides/shows other Kconfig
           options (but does not generate any code of its own), should be
           "default y" so people will see those other options.

        c) Sub-driver behavior or similar options for a driver that is
           "default n". This allows you to provide sane defaults.


So it looks like VHOST_MENU is actually matching rule b).
So what's the problem we are trying to solve with this patch, exactly?

Geert could you clarify pls?


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