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Date:   Fri, 1 May 2020 12:01:35 -0700
From:   Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>
To:     Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>
Cc:     netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Stephen Hemminger <stephen@...workplumber.org>,
        David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next V2] net: sched: fallback to qdisc noqueue if
 default qdisc setup fail

On Fri, 1 May 2020 13:56:02 +0200 Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 12:45:49 -0700
> Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 13:42:22 +0200 Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:  
> > > Currently if the default qdisc setup/init fails, the device ends up with
> > > qdisc "noop", which causes all TX packets to get dropped.
> > > 
> > > With the introduction of sysctl net/core/default_qdisc it is possible
> > > to change the default qdisc to be more advanced, which opens for the
> > > possibility that Qdisc_ops->init() can fail.
> > > 
> > > This patch detect these kind of failures, and choose to fallback to
> > > qdisc "noqueue", which is so simple that its init call will not fail.
> > > This allows the interface to continue functioning.
> > > 
> > > V2:
> > > As this also captures memory failures, which are transient, the
> > > device is not kept in IFF_NO_QUEUE state.  This allows the net_device
> > > to retry to default qdisc assignment.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>    
> > 
> > I have mixed feelings about this one, I wonder if I'm the only one.
> > Seems like failure to allocate the default qdisc is pretty critical,
> > the log message may be missed, especially in the boot time noise.
> > 
> > I think a WARN_ON() is in order here, I'd personally just replace the
> > netdev_info with a WARN_ON, without the fallback.  
> 
> It is good that we agree that failure to default qdisc is pretty
> critical.  I guess we disagree on whether (1) we keep network
> functioning in a degraded state, (2) drop all packets on net_device
> such that people notice.
> 
> This change propose (1) keeping the box functioning.  For me it was a
> pretty bad experience, that when I pushed a new kernel over the network
> to my embedded box, then I lost all network connectivity.  I
> fortunately had serial console access (as this was not an OpenWRT box
> but a full devel board) so I could debug, but I could no-longer upgrade
> the kernel.  I clearly noticed, as the box was not operational, but I
> guess most people would just give up at this point. (Imagine a small
> OpenWRT box config setting default_qdisc to fq_codel, which brick the
> box as it cannot allocate memory).
> 
> I hope that people will notice this degrade state, when they start to
> transfer data to the device.  Because running 'noqueue' on a physical
> device will result in net_crit_ratelimited() messages below:
> 
>  [86971.609318] Virtual device eth0 asks to queue packet!
>  [86971.622183] Virtual device eth0 asks to queue packet!
>  [86971.627510] Virtual device eth0 asks to queue packet!

Both ways have advantages, I guess. I don't feel strongly, 
but I do think that WARN_ON() is in order here.

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