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Date:   Fri, 15 May 2020 16:07:33 +0000
From:   "Karstens, Nate" <Nate.Karstens@...min.com>
To:     Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
CC:     Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
        Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>,
        "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@...ldses.org>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Richard Henderson <rth@...ddle.net>,
        Ivan Kokshaysky <ink@...assic.park.msu.ru>,
        Matt Turner <mattst88@...il.com>,
        "James E.J. Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>,
        Helge Deller <deller@....de>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>,
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        "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Changli Gao <xiaosuo@...il.com>,
        "a.josey@...ngroup.org" <a.josey@...ngroup.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v2] Implement close-on-fork

Matthew,

What alternative would you suggest?

>From an earlier email:

> ...nothing else addresses the underlying issue: there is no way to
> prevent a fork() from duplicating the resource. The close-on-exec
> flag partially-addresses this by allowing the parent process to
> mark a file descriptor as exclusive to itself, but there is still
> a period of time the failure can occur because the auto-close only
> occurs during the exec(). Perhaps this would not be an issue with
> a different process/threading model, but that is another discussion
> entirely.

Do you disagree there is an issue?

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@...radead.org>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 10:58
To: Karstens, Nate <Nate.Karstens@...min.com>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>; Jeff Layton <jlayton@...nel.org>; J. Bruce Fields <bfields@...ldses.org>; Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>; Richard Henderson <rth@...ddle.net>; Ivan Kokshaysky <ink@...assic.park.msu.ru>; Matt Turner <mattst88@...il.com>; James E.J. Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>; Helge Deller <deller@....de>; David S. Miller <davem@...emloft.net>; Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>; Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>; David Laight <David.Laight@...lab.com>; linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org; linux-arch@...r.kernel.org; linux-alpha@...r.kernel.org; linux-parisc@...r.kernel.org; sparclinux@...r.kernel.org; netdev@...r.kernel.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Changli Gao <xiaosuo@...il.com>; a.josey@...ngroup.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Implement close-on-fork

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On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 10:23:17AM -0500, Nate Karstens wrote:
> Series of 4 patches to implement close-on-fork. Tests have been
> published to https://github.com/nkarstens/ltp/tree/close-on-fork
> and cover close-on-fork functionality in the following syscalls:

[...]

> This functionality was approved by the Austin Common Standards
> Revision Group for inclusion in the next revision of the POSIX
> standard (see issue 1318 in the Austin Group Defect Tracker).

NAK to this patch series, and the entire concept.

Is there a way to persuade POSIX that they made a bad decision by standardising this mess?

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