Message-ID: <20200601133524.GP2282@nanopsycho>
Date:   Mon, 1 Jun 2020 15:35:24 +0200
From:   Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To:     Petr Machata <petrm@...lanox.com>
Cc:     Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>,
        Linux Kernel Network Developers <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
        Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com>,
        Jiri Pirko <jiri@...lanox.com>,
        Ido Schimmel <idosch@...lanox.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/3] TC: Introduce qevents

Thu, May 28, 2020 at 11:48:50AM CEST, petrm@...lanox.com wrote:
>
>Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:56 AM Petr Machata <petrm@...lanox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com> writes:
>>>
>>> > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:11 AM Petr Machata <petrm@...lanox.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The Spectrum hardware allows execution of one of several actions as a
>>> >> result of queue management events: tail-dropping, early-dropping, marking a
>>> >> packet, or passing a configured latency threshold or buffer size. Such
>>> >> packets can be mirrored, trapped, or sampled.
>>> >>
>>> >> Modeling the action to be taken as simply a TC action is very attractive,
>>> >> but it is not obvious where to put these actions. At least with ECN marking
>>> >> one could imagine a tree of qdiscs and classifiers that effectively
>>> >> accomplishes this task, albeit in an impractically complex manner. But
>>> >> there is just no way to match on dropped-ness of a packet, let alone
>>> >> dropped-ness due to a particular reason.
>>> >>
>>> >> To allow configuring user-defined actions as a result of inner workings of
>>> >> a qdisc, this patch set introduces a concept of qevents. Those are attach
>>> >> points for TC blocks, where filters can be put that are executed as the
>>> >> packet hits well-defined points in the qdisc algorithms. The attached
>>> >> blocks can be shared, in a manner similar to clsact ingress and egress
>>> >> blocks, arbitrary classifiers with arbitrary actions can be put on them,
>>> >> etc.
>>> >
>>> > This concept does not fit well into qdisc, essentially you still want to
>>> > install filters (and actions) somewhere on qdisc, but currently all filters
>>> > are executed at enqueue, basically you want to execute them at other
>>> > pre-defined locations too, for example early drop.
>>> >
>>> > So, perhaps adding a "position" in tc filter is better? Something like:
>>> >
>>> > tc qdisc add dev x root handle 1: ... # same as before
>>> > tc filter add dev x parent 1:0 position early_drop matchall action....
>>>
>>> Position would just be a chain index.
>>
>> Why? By position, I mean a place where we _execute_ tc filters on
>> a qdisc, currently there is only "enqueue". I don't see how this is
>> close to a chain which is basically a group of filters.
>
>OK, I misunderstood what you mean.
>
>So you propose to have further division within the block? To have sort
>of namespaces within blocks or chains, where depending on the context,
>only filters in the corresponding namespace are executed?

Please take the block as a whole entity. It has one entry ->chain0
processing. The gotos to other chains should be contained within the
block.

Please don't divide the block. If you want to process the block from a
different entry point, please process it as a whole.


>
>>>
>>> > And obviously default position must be "enqueue". Makes sense?
>>>
>>> Chain 0.
>>>
>>> So if I understand the proposal correctly: a qdisc has a classification
>>> block (cl_ops->tcf_block). Qevents then reference a chain on that
>>> classification block.
>>
>> No, I am suggesting to replace your qevents with position, because
>> as I said it does not fit well there.
>>
>>>
>>> If the above is correct, I disagree that this is a better model. RED
>>> does not need to classify anything, modelling this as a classification
>>> block is wrong. It should be another block. (Also shareable, because as
>>> an operator you likely want to treat all, say, early drops the same, and
>>> therefore to add just one rule for all 128 or so of your qdiscs.)
>>
>> You can still choose not to classify anything by using matchall. No
>> one is saying you have to do classification.
>
>The point here is filter reuse, not classification.
>
>> If you want to jump to a block, you can just use a goto action like
>
>I don't think you can jump to a block. You can jump to a chain within
>the same block.

Correct.

entrypoint->
   block X
     chain 0
     chain A
     chain B
     chain ...

There's no goto/jump out of the block.

>
>> normal. So your above example can be replaced with:
>>
>> # tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: \
>>         red limit 500K avpkt 1K
>>
>> # tc filter add dev eth0 parent 1:0 position early_drop matchall \
>>    action goto chain 10
>>
>> # tc chain add dev eth0 index 10 ...
>>
>> See the difference?

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