Message-ID: <20200710073652.GC2531@dhcp-12-153.nay.redhat.com>
Date:   Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:36:52 +0800
From:   Hangbin Liu <liuhangbin@...il.com>
To:     Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>
Cc:     bpf@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>,
        Jiri Benc <jbenc@...hat.com>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>,
        Eelco Chaudron <echaudro@...hat.com>, ast@...nel.org,
        Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo.bianconi@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv6 bpf-next 0/3] xdp: add a new helper for dev map
 multicast support

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:37:59AM +0200, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> On 7/9/20 3:30 AM, Hangbin Liu wrote:
> > This patch is for xdp multicast support. which has been discussed before[0],
> > The goal is to be able to implement an OVS-like data plane in XDP, i.e.,
> > a software switch that can forward XDP frames to multiple ports.
> > 
> > To achieve this, an application needs to specify a group of interfaces
> > to forward a packet to. It is also common to want to exclude one or more
> > physical interfaces from the forwarding operation - e.g., to forward a
> > packet to all interfaces in the multicast group except the interface it
> > arrived on. While this could be done simply by adding more groups, this
> > quickly leads to a combinatorial explosion in the number of groups an
> > application has to maintain.
> > 
> > To avoid the combinatorial explosion, we propose to include the ability
> > to specify an "exclude group" as part of the forwarding operation. This
> > needs to be a group (instead of just a single port index), because a
> > physical interface can be part of a logical grouping, such as a bond
> > device.
> > 
> > Thus, the logical forwarding operation becomes a "set difference"
> > operation, i.e. "forward to all ports in group A that are not also in
> > group B". This series implements such an operation using device maps to
> > represent the groups. This means that the XDP program specifies two
> > device maps, one containing the list of netdevs to redirect to, and the
> > other containing the exclude list.
> 
> Could you move this description as part of patch 1/3 instead of cover
> letter? Mostly given this helps understanding the rationale wrt exclusion
> map which is otherwise lacking from just looking at the patch itself.

OK, I will

> 
> Assuming you have a bond, how does this look in practice for your mentioned
> ovs-like data plane in XDP? The map for 'group A' is shared among all XDP
> progs and the map for 'group B' is managed per prog? The BPF_F_EXCLUDE_INGRESS

Yes, kind of. Since we have two maps as parameter. The 'group A map'(include map)
will be shared between the interfaces in same group/vlan. The 'group B map'
(exclude map) is interface specific. Each interface will hold it's own exclude map.

As most time each interface only exclude itself, a null map + BPF_F_EXCLUDE_INGRESS
should be enough.

For bond situation. e.g. A active-backup bond0 with eth1 + eth2 as slaves.
If eth1 is active interface, we can add eth2 to the exclude map.

> is clear, but how would this look wrt forwarding from a phys dev /to/ the
> bond iface w/ XDP?

As bond interface doesn't support native XDP, This forwarding only works for
physical slave interfaces.

For generic xdp, maybe we can forward to bond interface directly, but I
haven't tried.

> 
> Also, what about tc BPF helper support for the case where not every device
> might have native XDP (but they could still share the maps)?

I haven't tried tc BPF. This helper works for both generic and native xdp
forwarding. I think it should also works if we load the prog with native
xdp mode in one interface and generic xdp mode in another interface, couldn't
we?

Thanks
Hangbin

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