netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH v2 08/21] skbuff: add a zc

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Date:   Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:08:10 -0700
From:   Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>
To:     Jonathan Lemon <jonathan.lemon@...il.com>
Cc:     netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, kernel-team <kernel-team@...com>,
        Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
        Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@....com>,
        Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Willem de Bruijn <willemb@...gle.com>,
        Steffen Klassert <steffen.klassert@...unet.com>,
        Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...lanox.com>,
        Maxim Mikityanskiy <maximmi@...lanox.com>,
        bjorn.topel@...el.com, magnus.karlsson@...el.com,
        borisp@...lanox.com, david@...hat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 08/21] skbuff: add a zc_netgpu bitflag

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:01 AM Jonathan Lemon
<jonathan.lemon@...il.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:24:55AM -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:20 AM Jonathan Lemon
> > <jonathan.lemon@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > This could likely be moved elsewhere.  The presence of the flag on
> > > the skb indicates that one of the fragments may contain zerocopy
> > > RX data, where the data is not accessible to the cpu.
> >
> > Why do we need yet another flag in skb exactly ?
> >
> > Please define what means "data not accessible to the cpu" ?
> >
> > This kind of change is a red flag for me.
>
> The architecture this is targeting is a ML cluster, where a 200Gbps NIC
> is attached to a PCIe switch which also has a GPU card attached.  There
> are several of these, and the link(s) to the host cpu (which has another
> NIC attached) can't handle the incoming traffic.
>
> So what we're doing here is transferring the data directly from the NIC
> to the GPU via DMA.  The host never sees the data, but can control it
> indirectly via the handles returned to userspace.
>

This seems to need a page/memory attribute or something.

skb should not have this knowledge, unless you are planning to make
sure that everything accessing skb data is going to test this new flag
and fail if it is set ?


> I'm not sure that a flag on the skb is the right location for this -
> perhaps moving it into skb_shared() instead would be better?
> --
> Jonathan