netdev - Re: [PATCH net-next 6/6] net: mvneta: enable jumbo frames for XDP

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Message-ID: <20200820094704.17840324@carbon>
Date:   Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:47:04 +0200
From:   Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>
To:     John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
Cc:     Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo.bianconi@...hat.com>,
        Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@...nel.org>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        bpf@...r.kernel.org, davem@...emloft.net, echaudro@...hat.com,
        sameehj@...zon.com, brouer@...hat.com,
        Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 6/6] net: mvneta: enable jumbo frames for XDP

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 14:58:05 -0700
John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com> wrote:

> Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 22:22:23 +0200 Lorenzo Bianconi wrote:  
> > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 15:13:51 +0200 Lorenzo Bianconi wrote:    
> > > > > Enable the capability to receive jumbo frames even if the interface is
> > > > > running in XDP mode
> > > > > 
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@...nel.org>    
> > > > 
> > > > Hm, already? Is all the infra in place? Or does it not imply
> > > > multi-buffer.  
> > > 
> > > with this series mvneta supports xdp multi-buff on both rx and tx sides (XDP_TX
> > > and ndo_xpd_xmit()) so we can remove MTU limitation.  
> > 
> > Is there an API for programs to access the multi-buf frames?  
> 
> Hi Lorenzo,
> 
> This is not enough to support multi-buffer in my opinion. I have the
> same comment as Jakub. We need an API to pull in the multiple
> buffers otherwise we break the ability to parse the packets and that
> is a hard requirement to me. I don't want to lose visibility to get
> jumbo frames.
> 
> At minimum we need a bpf_xdp_pull_data() to adjust pointer. In the
> skmsg case we use this,
> 
>   bpf_msg_pull_data(u32 start, u32 end, u64 flags)
> 
> Where start is the offset into the packet and end is the last byte we
> want to adjust start/end pointers to. This way we can walk pages if
> we want and avoid having to linearize the data unless the user actual
> asks us for a block that crosses a page range. Smart users then never
> do a start/end that crosses a page boundary if possible. I think the
> same would apply here.
> 
> XDP by default gives you the first page start/end to use freely. If
> you need to parse deeper into the payload then you call bpf_msg_pull_data
> with the byte offsets needed.

I agree that we need a helper like this. (I also think Daniel have
proposed this before).  This would also be useful for Eric Dumazet /
Google's header-split use-case[1].  As I understood from his talk[1],
the NIC HW might not always split the packet correctly (due to HW
limits). This helper could solve part of this challenge.


[1] https://netdevconf.info/0x14/session.html?talk-the-path-to-tcp-4k-mtu-and-rx-zerocopy
-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer