netdev - Re: BPF sk_lookup v5 - TCP SYN and UDP 0-len flood benchmarks

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Message-ID: <87imdcs3gp.fsf@cloudflare.com>
Date:   Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:22:46 +0200
From:   Jakub Sitnicki <jakub@...udflare.com>
To:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
Cc:     bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        kernel-team <kernel-team@...udflare.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@...com>,
        Lorenz Bauer <lmb@...udflare.com>,
        Marek Majkowski <marek@...udflare.com>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com>, Yonghong Song <yhs@...com>
Subject: Re: BPF sk_lookup v5 - TCP SYN and UDP 0-len flood benchmarks

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 12:18 AM CEST, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 3:29 AM Jakub Sitnicki <jakub@...udflare.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 08:19 PM CEST, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:

[...]

>> > Long term we should probably stop doing *_kern style of ctx passing
>> > into bpf progs.
>> > We have BTF, CO-RE and freplace now. This old style of memset *_kern and manual
>> > ctx conversion has performance implications and annoying copy-paste of ctx
>> > conversion routines.
>> > For this particular case instead of introducing udp4_lookup_run_bpf()
>> > and copying registers into stack we could have used freplace of
>> > udp4_lib_lookup2.
>> > More verifier work needed, of course.
>> > My main point that existing approach "lets prep args for bpf prog to
>> > run" that is used
>> > pretty much in every bpf hook is no longer necessary.
>>
>> Andrii has also suggested leveraging BTF [0], but to expose the *_kern
>> struct directly to BPF prog instead of emitting ctx access instructions.
>>
>> What I'm curious about is if we get rid of prepping args and ctx
>> conversion, then how do we limit what memory BPF prog can access?
>>
>> Say, I'm passing a struct sock * to my BPF prog. If it's not a tracing
>> prog, then I don't want it to have access to everything that is
>> reachable from struct sock *. This is where this approach currently
>> breaks down for me.
>
> Why do you want to limit it?
> Time after time we keep extending structs in uapi/bpf.h because new
> use cases are coming up. Just let the prog access everything.

I guess I wasn't thinking big enough :-)