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Date:   Mon, 21 Sep 2020 14:49:57 -0700
From:   Jakub Kicinski <>
To:     Stephen Hemminger <>
Cc:     David Ahern <>,
Subject: Re: [PATCH iproute2-next] ip: promote missed packets to the -s row

On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:06:58 -0700 Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > > Does that mean "no" or "you need to be more convincing"? :)
> > > 
> > > JSON output is not changed. I don't think we care about screen
> > > scrapers. If we cared about people how interpret values based 
> > > on their position in the output we would break that with every
> > > release, no?
> > 
> > In this case you are not adding or inserting a new column, you are
> > changing the meaning of an existing column.
> > 
> > It's an 'error' stat so probably not as sensitive. I do not have a
> > strong religion on it since it seems to be making the error stat more up
> > to date.  

I hope this change would encourage vendors to use the standard stats.

> Is there any way to see the old error column at all?

I had no idea how to even show error stats. I read the code multiple
times, only when I sat down to actually implement displaying did I
realize that -s -s (repeat the option) shows all the stats.

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