netdev - Re: [PATCH nf v2] netfilter: conntrack: connection timeout after re-register

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Message-ID: <20201009185552.GF5723@breakpoint.cc>
Date:   Fri, 9 Oct 2020 20:55:52 +0200
From:   Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>
To:     Jozsef Kadlecsik <kadlec@...filter.org>
Cc:     Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>,
        Francesco Ruggeri <fruggeri@...sta.com>,
        open list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, coreteam@...filter.org,
        netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, fw@...len.org,
        Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@...filter.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH nf v2] netfilter: conntrack: connection timeout after
 re-register

Jozsef Kadlecsik <kadlec@...filter.org> wrote:
> > The repro clears all rules, waits 4 seconds, then restores the ruleset. 
> > using iptables-restore < FOO; sleep 4; iptables-restore < FOO will not 
> > result in any unregister ops.
> >
> > We could make kernel defer unregister via some work queue but i don't
> > see what this would help/accomplish (and its questionable of how long it
> > should wait).
> 
> Sorry, I can't put together the two paragraphs above: in the first you 
> wrote that no (hook) unregister-register happens and in the second one 
> that those could be derefed.

Sorry, my reply is confusing indeed.

Matches/targets that need conntrack increment a refcount.
So, when all rules are flushed, refcount goes down to 0 and conntrack is
disabled because the hooks get removed..

Just doing iptables-restore doesn't unregister as long as both the old
and new rulesets need conntrack.

The "delay unregister" remark was wrt. the "all rules were deleted"
case, i.e. add a "grace period" rather than acting right away when
conntrack use count did hit 0.

> > We could disallow unregister, but that seems silly (forces reboot...).
> > 
> > I think the patch is fine.
> 
> The patch is fine, but why the packets are handled by conntrack (after the 
> first restore and during the 4s sleep? And then again after the second 
> restore?) as if all conntrack entries were removed?

Conntrack entries are not removed, only the base hooks get unregistered.
This is a problem for tcp window tracking.

When re-register occurs, kernel is supposed to switch the existing
entries to "loose" mode so window tracking won't flag packets as
invalid, but apparently this isn't enough to handle keepalive case.