netdev - Re: [External] Re: [PATCH] mm: proc: add Sock to /proc/meminfo

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Message-ID: <93d5ad90-2bd5-07ad-618e-456ed2e6da87@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 13 Oct 2020 08:55:29 +0200
From:   Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
To:     Muchun Song <songmuchun@...edance.com>,
        Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>
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Subject: Re: [External] Re: [PATCH] mm: proc: add Sock to /proc/meminfo



On 10/12/20 11:53 AM, Muchun Song wrote:

> We are not complaining about TCP using too much memory, but how do
> we know that TCP uses a lot of memory. When I firstly face this problem,
> I do not know who uses the 25GB memory and it is not shown in the /proc/meminfo.
> If we can know the amount memory of the socket buffer via /proc/meminfo, we
> may not need to spend a lot of time troubleshooting this problem. Not everyone
> knows that a lot of memory may be used here. But I believe many people
> should know /proc/meminfo to confirm memory users.

Adding yet another operations in networking fast path is a high cost to pay
just to add one extra line in /proc/meminfo, while /proc/net/sockstat
is already a good proxy, with per protocol details, instead of a single bucket.

I reiterate that zero copy would make this counter out of sync,
unless special support is added (adding yet another operations ?)

Also your patch does not address gazillions of page allocations from drivers
in RX path.

Here at Google the majority of networking mm usage when hosts are under stress
is in RX path, when out of order queues start to grow in TCP sockets.

Allocations in TX path were greatly reduced and optimally sized with the introduction
of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_notsent_lowat.

We have gazillions of put_page()/__free_page()/__free_pages()/alloc_page()/... all
over the places, adding yet another tracking of "this page is used by networking stacks"
is going to be quite a big project.

I thought memcg was a better goal in the long run, lets focus on it.