netdev - Re: [PATCH bpf 1/2] bpf_redirect_neigh: Support supplying the nexthop as a helper parameter

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Message-ID: <4a6f2081-c9a9-727c-c654-347cbdf7b29f@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:45:51 -0600
From:   David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>
To:     Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@...hat.com>
Cc:     David Ahern <dsahern@...nel.org>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        bpf@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf 1/2] bpf_redirect_neigh: Support supplying the nexthop
 as a helper parameter

On 10/20/20 2:59 AM, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> On 10/20/20 5:12 AM, David Ahern wrote:
>> On 10/19/20 12:23 PM, Daniel Borkmann wrote:
>>> Looks good to me, thanks! I'll wait till David gets a chance as well to
>>> review.
>>> One thing that would have made sense to me (probably worth a v2) is to
>>> keep the
>>> fib lookup flag you had back then, meaning sth like BPF_FIB_SKIP_NEIGH
>>> which
>>> would then return a BPF_FIB_LKUP_RET_NO_NEIGH before doing the neigh
>>> lookup inside
>>> the bpf_ipv{4,6}_fib_lookup() so that programs can just unconditionally
>>> use the
>>> combination of bpf_fib_lookup(skb, [...], BPF_FIB_SKIP_NEIGH) with the
>>> bpf_redirect_neigh([...]) extension in that case and not do this
>>> bpf_redirect()
>>> vs bpf_redirect_neigh() dance as you have in the selftest in patch 2/2.
>>
>> That puts the overhead on bpf_ipv{4,6}_fib_lookup. The existiong helpers
>> return BPF_FIB_LKUP_RET_NO_NEIGH which is the key to the bpf program to
>> call the bpf_redirect_neigh - making the program deal with the overhead
>> as needed on failures.
> 
> But if I know there's high chance anyway that __ipv*_neigh_lookup_noref*()
> is failing for bpf_ipv{4,6}_fib_lookup() why even paying the price of the
> hash table lookup in there? Simple test to skip and return early would be
> much cheaper, and branch predictor should work it out just fine given that
> setting is pretty much static anyway; I'm not sure I'm seeing why this
> would
> be much of a concern..

The death by a 1000 paper cuts mantra.

The new bpf_redirect_neigh helper only works for skb's; the older
bpf_fib_lookup helpers work for XDP and skb's.

The primary reason for a program to need both helpers back to back is
when the neighbor entry is invalid. A condition where the nexthop
address is valid yet the neighbor entry is not resolving or in an
invalid state should be a rare event - like startup.

The existing helper has enough 'if' checks in it, forced by the
multitude of features the stack supports. Rare runtime events should be
handled by the bpf programs.