netdev - Re: [PATCH iproute2-next v3 2/2] tc: implement support for terse dump

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Date:   Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:28:52 +0200
From:   Vlad Buslov <vladbu@...dia.com>
To:     Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com>
CC:     Vlad Buslov <vlad@...lov.dev>, <dsahern@...il.com>,
        <stephen@...workplumber.org>, <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        <davem@...emloft.net>, <xiyou.wangcong@...il.com>,
        <jiri@...nulli.us>, <ivecera@...hat.com>,
        Vlad Buslov <vladbu@...lanox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH iproute2-next v3 2/2] tc: implement support for terse dump


On Sat 24 Oct 2020 at 20:40, Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com> wrote:
> On 2020-10-23 8:48 a.m., Vlad Buslov wrote:
>> On Thu 22 Oct 2020 at 17:05, Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com> wrote:
>>> On 2020-10-21 4:19 a.m., Vlad Buslov wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue 20 Oct 2020 at 15:29, Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-10-19 11:18 a.m., Vlad Buslov wrote:
>>>>> My worry is you have a very specific use case for your hardware or
>>>>> maybe it is ovs - where counters are uniquely tied to filters and
>>>>> there is no sharing. And possibly maybe only one counter can be tied
>>>>> to a filter (was not sure if you could handle more than one action
>>>>> in the terse from looking at the code).
>>>>
>>>> OVS uses cookie to uniquely identify the flow and it does support
>>>> multiple actions per flow.
>>>
>>>
>>> ok, so they use it like a flowid/classid to identify the flow.
>>> In our use case the cookie stores all kinds of other state that
>>> the controller can avoid to lookup after a query.
>>> index otoh is universal i.e two different users can intepret it
>>> per action tying it specific stats.
>>> IOW: I dont think it replaces the index.
>>> Do they set cookies on all actions in a flow?
>>
>> AFAIK on only one action per flow.
>>
>
> To each their own i guess. Sounds like it is being used as flowid
> entity.
> We pack a lot of metaencoding into those cookies. And to us
> a "service" is essentially a filter match folowed by a graph
> of actions (which could cyclic).
>
>
>>>> Cookie only consumes space in resulting netlink packet if used set the
>>>> cookie during action init. Otherwise, the cookie attribute is omitted.
>>>
>>> True, but: I am wondering why it is even considered in when terseness
>>> was a requirement (and index was left out).
>>
>> There was several reasons for me to include it:
>>
>> - As I wrote in previous email its TLV is only included in dump if user
>>    set the cookie. Users who don't use cookies don't lose any performance
>>    of terse dump.
>>
>> - Including it didn't require any changes to tc_action_ops->dump() (like
>>    passing 'terse' flag or introducing dedicated terse_dump() callback)
>>    because it is processed in tcf_action_dump_1().
>>
>> - OVS was the main use-case for us because it relies on filter dump for
>>    flow revalidation and uses cookie to identify the flows.
>>
>
> Which is fine - but it is a very ovs specific need.
>>>
>>>>> In our case we totally bypass filters to reduce the amount of data
>>>>> crossing to user space (tc action ls). Theres still a lot of data
>>>>> crossing which we could trim with a terse dump. All we are interested
>>>>> in are stats. Another alternative is perhaps to introduce the index for
>>>>> the direct dump.
>>>>
>>>> What is the direct dump?
>>>
>>> tc action ls ...
>>> Like i said in our use cases to get the stats we just dumped the actions
>>> we wanted. It is a lot less data than having the filter + actions.
>>> And with your idea of terseness we can trim down further how much
>>> data by removing all the action attributes coming back if we set TERSE
>>> flag in such a request. But the index has to be there to make sense.
>>
>> Yes, that makes sense. I guess introducing something like 'tc action -br
>> ls ..' mode implemented by means of existing terse flag + new 'also
>> output action index' flag would achieve that goal.
>>
>
> Right. There should be no interest in the cookie here at all. Maybe
> it could be optional with a flag indication.
> Have time to cook a patch? I'll taste/test it.

Patch to make cookie in filter terse dump optional? That would break
existing terse dump users that rely on it (OVS).

>
> cheers,
> jamal