Date:   Thu, 17 Dec 2020 10:22:43 -0800
From:   Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
To:     Alan Maguire <alan.maguire@...cle.com>
Cc:     Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...com>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        Networking <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Kernel Team <kernel-team@...com>
Subject: Re: one prog multi fentry. Was: [PATCH bpf-next] libbpf: support
 module BTF for BPF_TYPE_ID_TARGET CO-RE relocation

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 05:46:42PM +0000, Alan Maguire wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> 
> > > > $ ksnoop "ip_send_skb(skb->sk)"
> > > >
> > > > ...will trace the skb->sk value.  The user-space side of the program
> > > > matches the function/arg name and looks up the referenced type, setting it
> > > > in the function's map.  For field references such as skb->sk, it also
> > > > records offset and whether that offset is a pointer (as is the case for
> > > > skb->sk) - in such cases we need to read the offset value via bpf_probe_read()
> > > > and use it in bpf_snprintf_btf() along with the referenced type.  Only a
> > > > single simple reference like the above is supported currently, but
> > > > multiple levels of reference could be made to work too.
> > 
> > Alan,
> > 
> > I'm not sure why the last example is so different form the first two.
> > I think ksnoop tool will generate the program on the fly, right?
> 
> Nope, the BPF program is hard-coded; it adapts to different functions
> through use of the map entries describing function signatures and their
> BTF ids, and other associated tracing info.  The aim is to provide a
> generic tracing tool which displays kernel function arguments but
> doesn't require LLVM/clang on the target, just a kernel built with BTF 
> and libbpf.  Sorry this wasn't clearer in my explanation; I'm working
> on rewriting the code and will send it out ASAP.
> 
> > So it can generate normal LDX insn with CO-RE relocation (instead of bpf_probe_read)
> > to access skb->sk. It can also add relo for that LDX to point to
> > struct sk_buff's btf_id defined inside prog's BTF.
> > The 'sk' offset inside bpf program and inside BTF can be anything: 0, 4, ...
> > libbpf relocation logic will find the right offset in kernel's sk_buff.
> > If ksnoop doesn't have an ability to parse vmlinux.h file or kernel's BTF
> > it can 'cheat'.
> > If the cmdline looks like:
> > $ ksnoop "ip_send_skb(skb->sk)"
> > It can generate BTF:
> > struct sk_buff {
> >    struct sock *sk;
> > };
> > 
> > If cmdline looks like:
> > $ ksnoop "ip_send_skb(skb->sock)"
> > It can generate BTF:
> > struct sk_buff {
> >    struct sock *sock;
> > };
> > Obviously there is no 'sock' field inside kernel's struct sk_buff, but tool
> > doesn't need to care. It can let libbpf do the checking and match
> > fields properly.
> > 
> > > > into that a bit more if you don't mind because I think some form of
> > > > user-space-specified BTF ids may be the easiest approach for more flexible
> > > > generic tracing that covers more than function arguments.
> > 
> > I think you're trying to figure out kernel's btf_ids in ksnoop tool.
> 
> Yep.
> 
> > I suggest to leave that job to libbpf. Generate local BTFs in ksnoop
> > with CO-RE relocs and let libbpf handle insn patching.
> > No FDs to worry about from ksnoop side either.
> > 
> 
> The current approach doesn't rely on instruction patching outside
> of limited CORE use around struct pt_regs fields (args, IP, etc)
> which shouldn't require LLVM/clang availability on the target system. 

I'm not suggesting to use clang.
Everything I proposed above is for ksnoop to do. Not for the clang.

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