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Date:   Thu, 17 Dec 2020 18:39:55 -0800
From:   Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
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Subject: Re: [resend/standalone PATCH v4] Add auxiliary bus support

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:20 PM Alexandre Belloni
<alexandre.belloni@...tlin.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On 05/12/2020 16:51:36+0100, Greg KH wrote:
> > > To me, the documentation was written, and reviewed, more from the
> > > perspective of "why not open code a custom bus instead". So I can see
> > > after the fact how that is a bit too much theory and justification and
> > > not enough practical application. Before the fact though this was a
> > > bold mechanism to propose and it was not clear that everyone was
> > > grokking the "why" and the tradeoffs.
> >
> > Understood, I guess I read this from the "of course you should do this,
> > now how do I use it?" point of view.  Which still needs to be addressed
> > I feel.
> >
> > > I also think it was a bit early to identify consistent design patterns
> > > across the implementations and codify those. I expect this to evolve
> > > convenience macros just like other parts of the driver-core gained
> > > over time. Now that it is in though, another pass through the
> > > documentation to pull in more examples seems warranted.
> >
> > A real, working, example would be great to have, so that people can know
> > how to use this.  Trying to dig through the sound or IB patches to view
> > how it is being used is not a trivial thing to do, which is why
> > reviewing this took so much work.  Having a simple example test module,
> > that creates a number of devices on a bus, ideally tied into the ktest
> > framework, would be great.  I'll attach below a .c file that I used for
> > some basic local testing to verify some of this working, but it does not
> > implement a aux bus driver, which needs to be also tested.
> >
>
> There is something I don't get from the documentation and it is what is
> this introducing that couldn't already be done using platform drivers
> and platform devices?

There is room for documentation improvement here. I realize reading it
back now that much of the justification for "why not platform bus?"
happened on the list, but only a small mention made it into the
document. It turns out that platform-bus has some special integrations
and hacks with platform-firmware implementations. For example, the
ACPI companion magic and specific platform firmware integrations in
platform_match(). It's also an awkward bus name to use because these
devices do not belong to the platform. The platform bus is for devices
that do not have an enumeration mechanism besides board files or
firmware descriptions.

So while many of the auxiliary device use cases might be able to be
squeezed into a platform-bus scheme it further overloads what is
already a wide responsibility.

In comparison, the auxiliary-bus is tailored to the "sub-function of a
parent device/driver" use case. It lets the host driver be the root of
a namespace of sub-functionality in a standard template way.

> We already have a bunch of drivers in tree that have to share a state
> and register other drivers from other subsystems for the same device.
> How is the auxiliary bus different?

There's also custom subsystem buses that do this. Why not other
alternatives? They didn't capture the simultaneous mindshare of RDMA,
SOF, and NETDEV developers. Personally my plans for using
auxiliary-bus do not map cleanly to anything else in the tree. I want
to use it for attaching an NPEM driver (Native PCIE Enclosure
Management) to any PCI device driver that opts-in, but it would be
overkill to go create an "npem" bus for this.

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