netdev - Re: [PATCH rfc 0/3] virtio-net: add tx-hash, rx-tstamp and tx-tstamp

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Message-ID: <20201228163809-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
Date:   Mon, 28 Dec 2020 16:38:33 -0500
From:   "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:     Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@...il.com>
Cc:     virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rfc 0/3] virtio-net: add tx-hash, rx-tstamp and tx-tstamp

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 02:51:09PM -0500, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 12:29 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@...hat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:22:30AM -0500, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > > From: Willem de Bruijn <willemb@...gle.com>
> > >
> > > RFC for three new features to the virtio network device:
> > >
> > > 1. pass tx flow hash and state to host, for routing + telemetry
> > > 2. pass rx tstamp to guest, for better RTT estimation
> > > 3. pass tx tstamp to host, for accurate pacing
> > >
> > > All three would introduce an extension to the virtio spec.
> > > I assume this would require opening three ballots against v1.2 at
> > > https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ballots.php?wg_abbrev=virtio
> > >
> > > This RFC is to informally discuss the proposals first.
> > >
> > > The patchset is against v5.10. Evaluation additionally requires
> > > changes to qemu and at least one back-end. I implemented preliminary
> > > support in Linux vhost-net. Both patches available through github at
> > >
> > > https://github.com/wdebruij/linux/tree/virtio-net-txhash-1
> > > https://github.com/wdebruij/qemu/tree/virtio-net-txhash-1
> >
> > Any data on what the benefits are?
> 
> For the general method, yes. For this specific implementation, not  yet.
> 
> Swift congestion control is delay based. It won the best paper award
> at SIGCOMM this year. That paper has a lot of data:
> https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3387514.3406591 . Section 3.1 talks
> about the different components that contribute to delay and how to
> isolate them.

And for the hashing part?

> BBR and BBRv2 also have an explicit ProbeRTT phase as part of the design.
> 
> The specific additional benefits for VM-based TCP depends on many
> conditions, e.g., whether a vCPU is exclusively owned and pinned. But
> the same reasoning should be even more applicable to this even longer
> stack, especially in the worst case conditions.