netdev - RE: [EXT] Re: [RFC PATCH v3 00/11] NVMeTCP Offload ULP and QEDN Device Driver

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Message-ID: <SJ0PR18MB397807DB5295C9D39D93DF8EC4849@SJ0PR18MB3978.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Date:   Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:28:18 +0000
From:   Ariel Elior <aelior@...vell.com>
To:     "hch@....de" <hch@....de>, Shai Malin <smalin@...vell.com>
CC:     "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-nvme@...ts.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@...ts.infradead.org>,
        "sagi@...mberg.me" <sagi@...mberg.me>,
        "axboe@...com" <axboe@...com>,
        "kbusch@...nel.org" <kbusch@...nel.org>,
        "davem@...emloft.net" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        "kuba@...nel.org" <kuba@...nel.org>,
        "Erik.Smith@...l.com" <Erik.Smith@...l.com>,
        "Douglas.Farley@...l.com" <Douglas.Farley@...l.com>,
        Michal Kalderon <mkalderon@...vell.com>,
        "Prabhakar Kushwaha" <pkushwaha@...vell.com>,
        Nikolay Assa <nassa@...vell.com>,
        "malin1024@...il.com" <malin1024@...il.com>
Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: [RFC PATCH v3 00/11] NVMeTCP Offload ULP and QEDN
 Device Driver

> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 06:38:07PM +0000, Shai Malin wrote:
> > So, as there are no more comments / questions, we understand the
> > direction is acceptable and will proceed to the full series.
> 
> I do not think we should support offloads at all, and certainly not onces
> requiring extra drivers.  Those drivers have caused unbelivable pain for iSCSI
> and we should not repeat that mistake.

Hi Christoph,

We are fully aware of the challenges the iSCSI offload faced - I was there too
(in bnx2i and qedi). In our mind the heart of that hardship was the iSCSI uio
design, essentially a thin alternative networking stack, which led to no end of
compatibility challenges.

But we were also there for RoCE and iWARP (TCP based) RDMA offloads where a
different approach was used, working with the networking stack instead of around
it. We feel this is a much better approach, and this is what we are attempting
to implement here.

For this reason exactly we designed this offload to be completely seemless.
There is no alternate user stack - we plug in directly into the networking
stack and there are zero changes to the regular nvme-tcp.

We are just adding a new transport alongside it, which interacts with the
networking stack when needed, and leaves it alone most of the time. Our
intention is to completely own the maintenance of the new transport, including
any compatibility requirements, and have purposefully designed it to be
streamlined in this aspect.

Protocol offload is at the core of our technology, and our device offloads RoCE,
iWARP, iSCSI and FCoE, all already in upstream drivers (qedr, qedi and qedf
respectively).

We are especially excited about NVMeTCP offload as it brings huge benefits:
RDMA-like latency, tremendous cpu utilization reduction and the reliability of
TCP.

We would be more than happy to incorporate any feedback you may have on the
design, in how to make it more robust and correct. We are aware of other work
being done in creating special types of offloaded queue, and could model our
design similarly, although our thinking was that this would be more intrusive to
regular nvme over tcp. In our original submission of the RFC we were not adding
a ULP driver, only our own vendor driver, but Sagi pointed us in the direction
of a vendor agnostic ulp layer, which made a lot of sense to us and we think is
a good approach.

Thanks,
Ariel