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Date:   Thu, 11 Mar 2021 12:17:29 -0600
From:   Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org>
To:     Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>
Cc:     Leon Romanovsky <leon@...nel.org>,
        Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@...gle.com>,
        Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...dia.com>,
        Leon Romanovsky <leonro@...dia.com>,
        Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        linux-pci <linux-pci@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org, Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Don Dutile <ddutile@...hat.com>,
        Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>,
        "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH mlx5-next v7 0/4] Dynamically assign MSI-X vectors count

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 03:34:01PM -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:09 AM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@...nel.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 10:55:24AM -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> > > On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 11:55 PM Leon Romanovsky <leon@...nel.org> wrote:
> > > > From: Leon Romanovsky <leonro@...dia.com>
> > > >
> > > > @Alexander Duyck, please update me if I can add your ROB tag again
> > > > to the series, because you liked v6 more.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Changelog
> > > > v7:
> > > >  * Rebase on top v5.12-rc1
> > > >  * More english fixes
> > > >  * Returned to static sysfs creation model as was implemented in v0/v1.
> > >
> > > Yeah, so I am not a fan of the series. The problem is there is only
> > > one driver that supports this, all VFs are going to expose this sysfs,
> > > and I don't know how likely it is that any others are going to
> > > implement this functionality. I feel like you threw out all the
> > > progress from v2-v6.
> >
> > pci_enable_vfs_overlay() turned up in v4, so I think v0-v3 had static
> > sysfs files regardless of whether the PF driver was bound.
> >
> > > I really feel like the big issue is that this model is broken as you
> > > have the VFs exposing sysfs interfaces that make use of the PFs to
> > > actually implement. Greg's complaint was the PF pushing sysfs onto the
> > > VFs. My complaint is VFs sysfs files operating on the PF. The trick is
> > > to find a way to address both issues.
> > >
> > > Maybe the compromise is to reach down into the IOV code and have it
> > > register the sysfs interface at device creation time in something like
> > > pci_iov_sysfs_link if the PF has the functionality present to support
> > > it.
> >
> > IIUC there are two questions on the table:
> >
> >   1) Should the sysfs files be visible only when a PF driver that
> >      supports MSI-X vector assignment is bound?
> >
> >      I think this is a cosmetic issue.  The presence of the file is
> >      not a reliable signal to management software; it must always
> >      tolerate files that don't exist (e.g., on old kernels) or files
> >      that are visible but don't work (e.g., vectors may be exhausted).
> >
> >      If we start with the files always being visible, we should be
> >      able to add smarts later to expose them only when the PF driver
> >      is bound.
> >
> >      My concerns with pci_enable_vf_overlay() are that it uses a
> >      little more sysfs internals than I'd like (although there are
> >      many callers of sysfs_create_files()) and it uses
> >      pci_get_domain_bus_and_slot(), which is generally a hack and
> >      creates refcounting hassles.  Speaking of which, isn't v6 missing
> >      a pci_dev_put() to match the pci_get_domain_bus_and_slot()?
> 
> I'm not so much worried about management software as the fact that
> this is a vendor specific implementation detail that is shaping how
> the kernel interfaces are meant to work. Other than the mlx5 I don't
> know if there are any other vendors really onboard with this sort of
> solution.

I know this is currently vendor-specific, but I thought the value
proposition of dynamic configuration of VFs for different clients
sounded compelling enough that other vendors would do something
similar.  But I'm not an SR-IOV guy and have no vendor insight, so
maybe that's not the case?

> In addition it still feels rather hacky to be modifying read-only PCIe
> configuration space on the fly via a backdoor provided by the PF. It
> almost feels like this should be some sort of quirk rather than a
> standard feature for an SR-IOV VF.

I agree, I'm not 100% comfortable with modifying the read-only Table
Size register.  Maybe there's another approach that would be better?
It *is* nice that the current approach doesn't require changes in the
VF driver.

> >   2) Should a VF sysfs file use the PF to implement this?
> >
> >      Can you elaborate on your idea here?  I guess
> >      pci_iov_sysfs_link() makes a "virtfnX" link from the PF to the
> >      VF, and you're thinking we could also make a "virtfnX_msix_count"
> >      in the PF directory?  That's a really interesting idea.
> 
> I would honestly be more comfortable if the PF owned these files
> instead of the VFs. One of the things I didn't like about this back
> during the V1/2 days was the fact that it gave the impression that
> MSI-X count was something that is meant to be edited. Since then I
> think at least the naming was changed so that it implies that this is
> only possible due to SR-IOV.
> 
> I also didn't like that it makes the VFs feel like they are port
> representors rather than being actual PCIe devices. Having
> functionality that only works when the VF driver is not loaded just
> feels off. The VF sysfs directory feels like it is being used as a
> subdirectory of the PF rather than being a device on its own.

Moving "virtfnX_msix_count" to the PF seems like it would mitigate
this somewhat.  I don't know how to make this work while a VF driver
is bound without making the VF feel even less like a PCIe device,
i.e., we won't be able to use the standard MSI-X model.

> > > Also we might want to double check that the PF cannot be unbound while
> > > the VF is present. I know for a while there it was possible to remove
> > > the PF driver while the VF was present. The Mellanox drivers may not
> > > allow it but it might not hurt to look at taking a reference against
> > > the PF driver if you are allocating the VF MSI-X configuration sysfs
> > > file.
> >
> > Unbinding the PF driver will either remove the *_msix_count files or
> > make them stop working.  Is that a problem?  I'm not sure we should
> > add a magic link that prevents driver unbinding.  Seems like it would
> > be hard for users to figure out why the driver can't be removed.
> 
> I checked it again, it will make the *_msix_count files stop working.
> In order to guarantee it cannot happen in the middle of things though
> we are sitting on the device locks for both the PF and the VF. I'm not
> a fan of having to hold 2 locks while we perform a firmware operation
> for one device, but I couldn't find anything where we would deadlock
> so it should be fine.

I agree again, it's not ideal to hold two locks.  Is it possible we
could get by without the VF lock?  If we simply check whether a VF
driver is bound (without a lock), a VF driver bind can race with the
PF sriov_set_msix_vec_count().

If the VF driver bind wins, it reads the old Table Size.  If it reads
a too-small size, it won't use all the vectors.  If it reads a
too-large size, it will try to use too many vectors and some won't
work.  But the race would be caused by a bug in the management
software, and the consequence doesn't seem *terrible*.

Bjorn

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