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Date:   Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:27:40 -0700
From:   Weikeng Chen <w.k@...keley.edu>
To:     tytso@....edu
Cc:     anna.schumaker@...app.com, bfields@...ldses.org,
        chuck.lever@...cle.com, davem@...emloft.net, dwysocha@...hat.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] SUNRPC: Add a check for gss_release_msg

[This is the email that Theodore Ts'o replied to, but it fails to
reach the email server due to not using plain mode. Here I resent.]

(Note: this thread has become a hot Internet discussion on China's Twitter.)

I am a graduate student working in applied crypto, and CoI: I know one
of the authors of the S&P paper.
Some thoughts.

[1] I think the UMN IRB makes an incorrect assertion that the research
is not human research,
and that starts the entire problem and probably continues to be.

It clearly affects humans. I think UMN IRB lacks experience regarding
human experiments in CS research,
and should be informed that their decisions that this is not human
research are fundamentally wrong---
it misled the reviewers as well as misled the researchers.

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[2] Banning UMN seems to be a temporary solution. I don't disagree.
But it still might not prevent such proof-of-concept efforts: one
could use a non-campus address.

It might be helpful to inform the PC chairs of major security
conferences, S&P, USENIX Security, CCS, and NDSS,
regarding the need to discourage software security papers from making
proofs-of-concept in the real world in wild
that may be hurtful, as well as concerns on the sufficiency of IRB
review---some IRB may lack experience for CS research.

Some conferences have been being more careful about this recently. For
example, NDSS accepts a paper on
a browser bug but attaches a statement saying that the PC has ethical concerns.
See: "Tales of Favicons and Caches: Persistent Tracking in Modern
Browsers", NDSS '21

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[3] Let us not forget that the author is using their real campus
address and is open to such pressure.
Thus, I think the authors, as students and researchers, have no bad faith;
but they are misled that this experimental procedure is acceptable,
which is not.

Sorry for jumping in...

Weikeng