netdev - Re: [net-next: PATCH 2/3] net: mvpp2: enable using phylink with ACPI

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Message-ID: <YMad84t7mOl0DFzk@lunn.ch>
Date:   Mon, 14 Jun 2021 02:08:19 +0200
From:   Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>
To:     Marcin Wojtas <mw@...ihalf.com>
Cc:     Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@...linux.org.uk>,
        Grzegorz Jaszczyk <jaz@...ihalf.com>,
        Grzegorz Bernacki <gjb@...ihalf.com>, upstream@...ihalf.com,
        Samer El-Haj-Mahmoud <Samer.El-Haj-Mahmoud@....com>,
        Jon Nettleton <jon@...id-run.com>,
        Jon Masters <jcm@...hat.com>, rjw@...ysocki.net,
        lenb@...nel.org
Subject: Re: [net-next: PATCH 2/3] net: mvpp2: enable using phylink with ACPI

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 01:46:06AM +0200, Marcin Wojtas wrote:
> <Adding ACPI Maintainers>
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> niedz., 13 cze 2021 o 23:35 Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch> napisał(a):
> >
> > > True. I picked the port type properties that are interpreted by
> > > phylink. Basically, I think that everything that's described in:
> > > devicetree/bindings/net/ethernet-controller.yaml
> > > is valid for the ACPI as well
> >
> > So you are saying ACPI is just DT stuff into tables? Then why bother
> > with ACPI? Just use DT.
> 
> Any user is free to use whatever they like, however apparently there
> must have been valid reasons, why ARM is choosing ACPI as the
> preferred way of describing the hardware over DT. In such
> circumstances, we all work to improve adoption and its usability for
> existing devices.
> 
> Regarding the properties in _DSD package, please refer to
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/firmware-guide/acpi/DSD-properties-rules.html,
> especially to two fragments:
> "The _DSD (Device Specific Data) configuration object, introduced in
> ACPI 5.1, allows any type of device configuration data to be provided
> via the ACPI namespace. In principle, the format of the data may be
> arbitrary [...]"
> "It often is useful to make _DSD return property sets that follow
> Device Tree bindings."
> Therefore what I understand is that (within some constraints) simple
> reusing existing sets of nodes' properties, should not violate ACPI
> spec. In this patchset no new extension/interfaces/method is
> introduced.
> 
> >
> > Right, O.K. Please document anything which phylink already supports:
> >
> > hylink.c:               ret = fwnode_property_read_u32(fixed_node, "speed", &speed);
> > phylink.c:              if (fwnode_property_read_bool(fixed_node, "full-duplex"))
> > phylink.c:              if (fwnode_property_read_bool(fixed_node, "pause"))
> > phylink.c:              if (fwnode_property_read_bool(fixed_node, "asym-pause"))
> > phylink.c:              ret = fwnode_property_read_u32_array(fwnode, "fixed-link",
> > phylink.c:              ret = fwnode_property_read_u32_array(fwnode, "fixed-link",
> > phylink.c:      if (dn || fwnode_property_present(fwnode, "fixed-link"))
> > phylink.c:      if ((fwnode_property_read_string(fwnode, "managed", &managed) == 0 &&
> >
> > If you are adding new properties, please do that In a separate patch,
> > which needs an ACPI maintainer to ACK it before it gets merged.
> >
> 
> Ok, I can extend the documentation.

My real fear is snowflakes. Each ACPI implementation is unique. That
is going to be a maintenance nightmare, and it will make it very hard
to change the APIs between phylib/phylink and MAC drivers. To avoid
that, we need to push are much as possible into the core, document as
much as possible, and NACK anything does looks like a snowflake.

I actually like what you pointed out above. It makes it possible to
say, ACPI for phylink/phylib needs to follow device tree, 1 to 1.
It also means we should be able to remove a lot of the

if (is_of()) {}
else if (is_acpi() {}
else
	return -EINVAL;

in drivers, and put it into the core.

   Andrew