netdev - Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] platform/x86: intel_tdx_attest: Add TDX Guest attestation interface driver

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Message-ID: <4972fc1a-1ffb-2b6d-e764-471210df96a3@linux.intel.com>
Date:   Thu, 8 Jul 2021 17:36:44 -0700
From:   Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>
To:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        "Kuppuswamy, Sathyanarayanan" 
        <sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@...ux.intel.com>
Cc:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Andy Lutomirski <luto@...nel.org>,
        Hans de Goede <hdegoede@...hat.com>,
        Mark Gross <mgross@...ux.intel.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>,
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        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>,
        Tony Luck <tony.luck@...el.com>,
        Kirill Shutemov <kirill.shutemov@...ux.intel.com>,
        Sean Christopherson <seanjc@...gle.com>,
        Kuppuswamy Sathyanarayanan <knsathya@...nel.org>,
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        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
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        Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] platform/x86: intel_tdx_attest: Add TDX Guest
 attestation interface driver


On 7/8/2021 5:20 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
>
> If you have a lock would TDX KVM even notice that its parallel
> requests are being handled serially? I.e. even if they said "yes,
> multiple requests may happen in parallel", until it becomes an actual
> latency problem in practice it's not clear that this generous use of
> resources is justified.
The worst case usage is 2 pages * file descriptor. There are lots of 
other ways to use that much and more memory for each file descriptor.

>
> Scratch that... this driver already has the attestation_lock! So, it's
> already the case that only one thread can be attesting at a time. The
> per-file buffer is unecessary.

But then you couldn't free the buffer. So it would be leaked forever for 
likely only one attestation.

Not sure what problem you're trying to solve here.


>
> keyutils supports generating and passing blobs into and out of the
> kernel with a handle associated to those blobs. This driver adds a TDX
> way to pass blobs into and out of the kernel. If Linux grows other
> TDX-like attestation requirements in the future (e.g. PCI SPDM) should
> each of those invent their own user ABI for passing blobs around?

The TDX blobs are different than any blobs that keyutils supports today. 
The TDX operations are different too.

TDREPORT doesn't even involve any keys, it's just attestation reports.

keyutils today nothing related to attestation.

I just don't see any commonality. If there was commonality it would be 
more with the TPM interface, but TDX attestation is different enough 
that it also isn't feasible to directly convert it into TPM operation 
(apart from standard TPM being a beast that you better avoid as much as 
possible anyways)

-Andi