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Date:   Wed, 21 Jul 2021 22:07:16 +0200
From:   Marek BehĂșn <kabel@...nel.org>
To:     Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch>
Cc:     Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@...il.com>,
        Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
        Tony Nguyen <anthony.l.nguyen@...el.com>, davem@...emloft.net,
        kuba@...nel.org, Kurt Kanzenbach <kurt@...utronix.de>,
        netdev@...r.kernel.org, sasha.neftin@...el.com,
        vitaly.lifshits@...el.com, vinicius.gomes@...el.com,
        Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@...utronix.de>,
        Dvora Fuxbrumer <dvorax.fuxbrumer@...ux.intel.com>,
        "linux-leds@...r.kernel.org" <linux-leds@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 5/5] igc: Export LEDs

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:50:07 +0200
Andrew Lunn <andrew@...n.ch> wrote:

> > Hi Heiner,
> > 
> > in sysfs, all devices registered under LED class will have symlinks in
> > /sys/class/leds. This is how device classes work in Linux.
> > 
> > There is a standardized format for LED device names, please look at
> > Documentation/leds/leds-class.rst.
> > 
> > Basically the LED name is of the format
> >   devicename:color:function  
> 
> The interesting part here is, what does devicename mean, in this
> context?
> 
> We cannot use the interface name, because it is not unique, and user
> space can change it whenever it wants. So we probably need to build
> something around the bus ID, e.g. pci_id. Which is not very friendly
> :-(

Unfortunately there isn't consensus about what the devicename should
mean. There are two "schools of thought":

1. device name of the trigger source for the LED, i.e. if the LED
   blinks on activity on mmc0, the devicename should be mmc0. We have
   talked about this in the discussions about ethernet PHYs.
   In the case of the igc driver if the LEDs are controlled by the MAC,
   I guess some PCI identifier would be OK. Or maybe ethernet-mac
   identifier, if we have something like that? (Since we can't use
   interface names due to the possibility of renaming.)

   Pavel and I are supporters of this scheme.

2. device name of the LED controller. For example LEDs controlled by
   the maxim,max77650-led controller (leds-max77650.c) define device
   name as "max77650"

   Jacek supports this scheme.

The complication is that both these schemes are used already in
upstream kernel, and we have to maintain backwards compatibility of
sysfs ABI, so we can't change that.

I have been thinking for some time that maybe we should poll Linux
kernel developers about these two schemes, so that a consensus is
reached. Afterwards we can deprecate the other scheme and add a Kconfig
option (default n for backwards compatibility) to use the new scheme.

What do you think?

Marek

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