netdev - Re: [PATCH v2 net-next 00/26] net: introduce and use generic XDP stats

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Message-ID: <d9be528c-af35-6c10-c458-9e2f7759bbb3@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 30 Nov 2021 10:56:26 -0700
From:   David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>
To:     Jakub Kicinski <kuba@...nel.org>,
        Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 
        <toke@...hat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 net-next 00/26] net: introduce and use generic XDP
 stats

On 11/30/21 10:07 AM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 17:17:24 +0100 Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>>> 1. Channels vs queues vs global.
>>>
>>> Jakub: no per-channel.
>>> David (Ahern): it's worth it to separate as Rx/Tx.
>>> Toke is fine with globals at the end I think?  
>>
>> Well, I don't like throwing data away, so in that sense I do like
>> per-queue stats, but it's not a very strong preference (i.e., I can live
>> with either)...
> 
> We don't even have a clear definition of a queue in Linux.
> 

The summary above says "Jakub: no per-channel", and then you have this
comment about a clear definition of a queue. What is your preference
here, Jakub? I think I have gotten lost in all of the coments.

My request was just to not lump Rx and Tx together under a 'channel'
definition as a new API. Proposals like zctap and 'queues as a first
class citizen' are examples of intentions / desires to move towards Rx
and Tx queues beyond what exists today.