netdev - Re: [PATCH bpf-next 06/29] bpf: Add bpf_arg/bpf_ret

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Date:   Wed, 1 Dec 2021 22:16:22 +0100
From:   Jiri Olsa <jolsa@...hat.com>
To:     Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com>
Cc:     Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>,
        Networking <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com>,
        Song Liu <songliubraving@...com>, Yonghong Song <yhs@...com>,
        John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        KP Singh <kpsingh@...omium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 06/29] bpf: Add bpf_arg/bpf_ret_value helpers
 for tracing programs

On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 09:59:57AM -0800, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 9:37 AM Alexei Starovoitov
> <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 11:13 PM Andrii Nakryiko
> > <andrii.nakryiko@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hm... I'd actually try to keep kprobe BTF-free. We have fentry for
> > > cases where BTF is present and the function is simple enough (like <=6
> > > args, etc). Kprobe is an escape hatch mechanism when all the BTF
> > > fanciness just gets in the way (retsnoop being a primary example from
> > > my side). What I meant here was that bpf_get_arg(int n) would read
> > > correct fields from pt_regs that map to first N arguments passed in
> > > the registers. What we currently have with PT_REGS_PARM macros in
> > > bpf_tracing.h, but with a proper unified BPF helper.
> >
> > and these macros are arch specific.
> > which means that it won't be a trivial patch to add bpf_get_arg()
> > support for kprobes.
> 
> no one suggested it would be trivial :) things worth doing are usually
> non-trivial, as can be evidenced by Jiri's patch set
> 
> > Plenty of things to consider. Like should it return an error
> > at run-time or verification time when a particular arch is not supported.
> 
> See my other replies to Jiri, I'm more and more convinced that dynamic
> is the way to go for things like this, where the safety of the kernel
> or BPF program are not compromised.
> 
> But you emphasized an important point, that it's probably good to
> allow users to distinguish errors from reading actual value 0. There
> are and will be situations where argument isn't available or some
> combination of conditions are not supported. So I think, while it's a
> bit more verbose, these forms are generally better:
> 
> int bpf_get_func_arg(int n, u64 *value);
> int bpf_get_func_ret(u64 *value);
> 
> WDYT?

ok, good preparation for kprobe code quirks described by Alexei 

> 
> > Or argument 6 might be available on one arch, but not on the other.
> > 32-bit CPU regs vs 64-bit regs of BPF, etc.
> > I wouldn't attempt to mix this work with current patches.
> 
> Oh, I didn't suggest doing it as part of this already huge and
> complicated set. But I think it's good to think a bit ahead and design
> the helper API appropriately, at the very least.
> 
> And again, I think bpf_get_func_arg/bpf_get_func_ret deserve their own
> patch set where we can discuss all this independently from
> multi-attach.
> 

good ;-) thanks,
jirka