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Date:   Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:12:58 +0100
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Subject: Re: [RFC 01/32] Kconfig: introduce and depend on LEGACY_PCI

Em Tue, 28 Dec 2021 16:06:44 +0100
Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@...ux.ibm.com> escreveu:

(on a side note: the c/c list of this patch is too long. I would try to
avoid using a too long list, as otherwise this e-mail may end being rejected
by mail servers)

> On Tue, 2021-12-28 at 13:54 +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> >  
> ---8<---
> >     
> > > > > All you really care about is the "legacy" I/O spaces here, this isn't
> > > > > tied to PCI specifically at all, right?
> > > > > 
> > > > > So why not just have a OLD_STYLE_IO config option or something like
> > > > > that, to show that it's the i/o functions we care about here, not PCI at
> > > > > all?
> > > > > 
> > > > > And maybe not call it "old" or "legacy" as time constantly goes forward,
> > > > > just describe it as it is, "DIRECT_IO"?    
> > > > 
> > > > Agreed. HAVE_PCI_DIRECT_IO (or something similar) seems a more appropriate
> > > > name for it.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Mauro    
> > > 
> > > Hmm, I might be missing something here but that sounds a lot like the
> > > HAS_IOPORT option added in patch 02.
> > > 
> > > We add both LEGACY_PCI and HAS_IOPORT to differentiate between two
> > > cases. HAS_IOPORT is for PC-style devices that are not on a PCI card
> > > while LEGACY_PCI is for PCI drivers that require port I/O.   
> > 
> > I didn't look at the other patches on this series, but why it is needed
> > to deal with them on a separate way? Won't "PCI" and "HAS_IOPORT" be enough? 
> > 
> > I mean, are there any architecture where HAVE_PCI=y and HAS_IOPORT=y
> > where LEGACY_PCI shall be "n"?  
> 
> In the current patch set LEGACY_PCI is not currently selected by
> architectures, though of course it could be if we know that an
> architecture requires it. We should probably also set it in any
> defconfig that has devices depending on it so as not to break these.
> 
> Other than that it would be set during kernel configuration if one
> wants/needs support for legacy PCI devices. For testing I ran with
> HAVE_PCI=y, HAS_IOPORT=y and LEGACY_PCI=n on both my local Ryzen 3990X
> based workstation and Raspberry Pi 4 (DT). I guess at the moment it
> would make most sense for special configs such as those tailored for
> vitualization guets but in the end that would be something for
> distributions to decide.

IMO, it makes sense to have a "default y" there, as on systems that
support I/O space, disabling it will just randomly disable some drivers
that could be required by some hardware. I won't doubt that some of 
those could be ported from using inb/outb to use, instead, readb/writeb.

> 
> Arnd described the options here:
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a3HHeP+Gw_k2P7Qtig0OmErf0HN30G22+qHic_uZTh11Q@mail.gmail.com/

Based on Arnd's description, LEGACY_PCI should depend on HAS_IOPORT.
This is missing on patch 1. You should probably reorder your patch
series to first create HAS_IOPORT and then add LEGACY_PCI with
depends on, as otherwise it may cause randconfig build issues
at robots and/or git bisect.

I would also suggest to first introduce such change and then send
a per-subsystem LEGACY_PCI patch, as it would be a lot easier for
maintainers to review.

> 
> >   
> > > This
> > > includes pre-PCIe devices as well as PCIe devices which require
> > > features like I/O spaces. The "legacy" naming is comes from the PCIe
> > > spec which in section 2.1.1.2 says "PCI Express supports I/O Space for
> > > compatibility with legacy devices which require their use. Future
> > > revisions of this specification may deprecate the use of I/O Space."  
> > 
> > I would still avoid calling it LEGACY_PCI, as this sounds too generic.
> > 
> > I didn't read the PCI/PCIe specs, but I suspect that are a lot more
> > features that were/will be deprecated on PCI specs as time goes by.
> > 
> > So, I would, instead, use something like PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE or 
> > HAVE_PCI_LEGACY_IO_SPACE, in order to let it clear what "legacy"
> > means.  
> 
> Hmm, I'd like to hear Bjorn's opinion on this. Personally I feel like
> LEGACY_PCI is pretty clear since most devices are either pre-PCIe
> devices or a compatibility feature allowing drivers for a pre-PCIe
> device to work with a PCIe device.

That's the main point: it is *not* disabling pre-PCIe devices or
even legacy PCI drivers. It just disables a random set of drivers just
because they use inb/outb instead of readb/writeb. It keeps several pure 
PCI drivers selected, and disables some PCIe for no real reason.

Just to give one example, this symbol:

> diff --git a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig
> index b672d3142eb7..5e92ece5b104 100644
> --- a/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig
> +++ b/drivers/media/cec/platform/Kconfig
> @@ -100,7 +100,7 @@ config CEC_TEGRA
>  config CEC_SECO
>  	tristate "SECO Boards HDMI CEC driver"
>  	depends on (X86 || IA64) || COMPILE_TEST
> -	depends on PCI && DMI
> +	depends on LEGACY_PCI && DMI
>  	select CEC_CORE
>  	select CEC_NOTIFIER
>  	help

Disables HDMI CEC support on some Intel motherboards.
Any distro meant to run on generic hardware should keep it selected.

I can see some value of a "PCI_LEGACY" option to disable all
non-PCIe drivers, but this is not the case here.

Thanks,
Mauro

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