Date:   Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:17:00 -0800
From:   Yonghong Song <yhs@...com>
To:     Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@...e.de>
CC:     Shung-Hsi Yu <shung-hsi.yu@...e.com>, <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        <netdev@...r.kernel.org>, Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: BTF compatibility issue across builds



On 2/10/22 2:01 AM, Michal Suchánek wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 09:36:44AM -0800, Yonghong Song wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/27/22 7:10 AM, Shung-Hsi Yu wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We recently run into module load failure related to split BTF on openSUSE
>>> Tumbleweed[1], which I believe is something that may also happen on other
>>> rolling distros.
>>>
>>> The error looks like the follow (though failure is not limited to ipheth)
>>>
>>>       BPF:[103111] STRUCT BPF:size=152 vlen=2 BPF: BPF:Invalid name BPF:
>>>
>>>       failed to validate module [ipheth] BTF: -22
>>>
>>> The error comes down to trying to load BTF of *kernel modules from a
>>> different build* than the runtime kernel (but the source is the same), where
>>> the base BTF of the two build is different.
>>>
>>> While it may be too far stretched to call this a bug, solving this might
>>> make BTF adoption easier. I'd natively think that we could further split
>>> base BTF into two part to avoid this issue, where .BTF only contain exported
>>> types, and the other (still residing in vmlinux) holds the unexported types.
>>
>> What is the exported types? The types used by export symbols?
>> This for sure will increase btf handling complexity.
> 
> And it will not actually help.
> 
> We have modversion ABI which checks the checksum of the symbols that the
> module imports and fails the load if the checksum for these symbols does
> not match. It's not concerned with symbols not exported, it's not
> concerned with symbols not used by the module. This is something that is
> sustainable across kernel rebuilds with minor fixes/features and what
> distributions watch for.
> 
> Now with BTF the situation is vastly different. There are at least three
> bugs:
> 
>   - The BTF check is global for all symbols, not for the symbols the
>     module uses. This is not sustainable. Given the BTF is supposed to
>     allow linking BPF programs that were built in completely different
>     environment with the kernel it is completely within the scope of BTF
>     to solve this problem, it's just neglected.
>   - It is possible to load modules with no BTF but not modules with
>     non-matching BTF. Surely the non-matching BTF could be discarded.
>   - BTF is part of vermagic. This is completely pointless since modules
>     without BTF can be loaded on BTF kernel. Surely it would not be too
>     difficult to do the reverse as well. Given BTF must pass extra check
>     to be used having it in vermagic is just useless moise.
> 
>>> Does that sound like something reasonable to work on?
>>>
>>>
>>> ## Root case (in case anyone is interested in a verbose version)
>>>
>>> On openSUSE Tumbleweed there can be several builds of the same source. Since
>>> the source is the same, the binaries are simply replaced when a package with
>>> a larger build number is installed during upgrade.
>>>
>>> In our case, a rebuild is triggered[2], and resulted in changes in base BTF.
>>> More precisely, the BTF_KIND_FUNC{,_PROTO} of i2c_smbus_check_pec(u8 cpec,
>>> struct i2c_msg *msg) and inet_lhash2_bucket_sk(struct inet_hashinfo *h,
>>> struct sock *sk) was added to the base BTF of 5.15.12-1.3. Those functions
>>> are previously missing in base BTF of 5.15.12-1.1.
>>
>> As stated in [2] below, I think we should understand why rebuild is
>> triggered. If the rebuild for vmlinux is triggered, why the modules cannot
>> be rebuild at the same time?
> 
> They do get rebuilt. However, if you are running the kernel and install
> the update you get the new modules with the old kernel. If the install
> script fails to copy the kernel to your EFI partition based on the fact
> a kernel with the same filename is alreasy there you get the same.
> 
> If you have 'stable' distribution adding new symbols is normal and it
> does not break module loading without BTF but it breaks BTF.

Okay, I see. One possible solution is that if kernel module btf
does not match vmlinux btf, the kernel module btf will be ignored
with a dmesg warning but kernel module load will proceed as normal.
I think this might be also useful for bpf lskel kernel modules as
well which tries to be portable (with CO-RE) for different kernels.

Alexei, what do you think?

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Michal

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