netdev - RE: [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 08/15] vfio: Define device migration protocol v2

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Message-ID: <BN9PR11MB5276BD03F292902A803FA0E58C349@BN9PR11MB5276.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Date:   Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:41:56 +0000
From:   "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@...el.com>
To:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>,
        Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@...hat.com>
CC:     Yishai Hadas <yishaih@...dia.com>,
        "bhelgaas@...gle.com" <bhelgaas@...gle.com>,
        "saeedm@...dia.com" <saeedm@...dia.com>,
        "linux-pci@...r.kernel.org" <linux-pci@...r.kernel.org>,
        "kvm@...r.kernel.org" <kvm@...r.kernel.org>,
        "netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        "kuba@...nel.org" <kuba@...nel.org>,
        "leonro@...dia.com" <leonro@...dia.com>,
        "kwankhede@...dia.com" <kwankhede@...dia.com>,
        "mgurtovoy@...dia.com" <mgurtovoy@...dia.com>,
        "maorg@...dia.com" <maorg@...dia.com>,
        "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@...el.com>,
        "shameerali.kolothum.thodi@...wei.com" 
        <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@...wei.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH V7 mlx5-next 08/15] vfio: Define device migration protocol
 v2

> From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@...dia.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:37 AM
> 
> > >  /* -------- API for Type1 VFIO IOMMU -------- */
> > >
> > >  /**
> >
> > Otherwise, I'm still not sure how userspace handles the fact that it
> > can't know how much data will be read from the device and how important
> > that is.  There's no replacement of that feature from the v1 protocol
> > here.
> 
> I'm not sure this was part of the v1 protocol either. Yes it had a
> pending_bytes, but I don't think it was actually expected to be 100%
> accurate. Computing this value accurately is potentially quite
> expensive, I would prefer we not enforce this on an implementation
> without a reason, and qemu currently doesn't make use of it.
> 
> The ioctl from the precopy patch is probably the best approach, I
> think it would be fine to allow that for stop copy as well, but also
> don't see a usage right now.
> 
> It is not something that needs decision now, it is very easy to detect
> if an ioctl is supported on the data_fd at runtime to add new things
> here when needed.
> 

Another interesting thing (not an immediate concern on this series)
is how to handle devices which may have long time (e.g. due to 
draining outstanding requests, even w/o vPRI) to enter the STOP 
state. that time is not as deterministic as pending bytes thus cannot
be reported back to the user before the operation is actually done.

Similarly to what we discussed for vPRI an eventfd will be beneficial 
so the user can timeout-wait on it, but it also needs an arc to create 
the eventfd between RUNNING->STOP...

Thanks
Kevin