netdev - Re: [PATCH] tracing/user_events: Add eBPF interface for user

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Message-ID: <CAADnVQKQw+K2CoCW-nA=bngKtjP495wpB1yhEXNjKg4wSeXAWg@mail.gmail.com>
Date:   Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:22:32 -0700
From:   Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>
To:     Beau Belgrave <beaub@...ux.microsoft.com>
Cc:     Song Liu <song@...nel.org>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
        Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...nel.org>,
        linux-trace-devel <linux-trace-devel@...r.kernel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, bpf <bpf@...r.kernel.org>,
        Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-arch <linux-arch@...r.kernel.org>,
        Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...icios.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tracing/user_events: Add eBPF interface for user_event
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On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 9:34 AM Beau Belgrave <beaub@...ux.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > But you are fine with uprobe costs? uprobes appear to be much more costly
> > > than a syscall approach on the hardware I've run on.

Care to share the numbers?
uprobe over USDT is a single trap.
Not much slower compared to syscall with kpti.

> >
> > Can we achieve the same/similar performance with sys_bpf(BPF_PROG_RUN)?
> >
>
> I think so, the tough part is how do you let the user-space know which
> program is attached to run? In the current code this is done by the BPF
> program attaching to the event via perf and we run the one there if
> any when data is emitted out via write calls.
>
> I would want to make sure that operators can decide where the user-space
> data goes (perf/ftrace/eBPF) after the code has been written. With the
> current code this is done via the tracepoint callbacks that perf/ftrace
> hook up when operators enable recording via perf, tracefs, libbpf, etc.
>
> We have managed code (C#/Java) where we cannot utilize stubs or traps
> easily due to code movement. So we are limited in how we can approach
> this problem. Having the interface be mmap/write has enabled this
> for us, since it's easy to interact with in most languages and gives us
> lifetime management of the trace objects between user-space and the
> kernel.

Then you should probably invest into making USDT work inside
java applications instead of reinventing the wheel.

As an alternative you can do a dummy write or any other syscall
and attach bpf on the kernel side.
No kernel changes are necessary.